<html><body><div style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; color: #000000"><div><br></div><div><br></div><hr id="zwchr" data-marker="__DIVIDER__"><div data-marker="__HEADERS__"><blockquote style="border-left: 2px solid #1010FF; margin-left: 5px; padding-left: 5px; color: #000; font-weight: normal; font-style: normal; text-decoration: none; font-family: Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;" data-mce-style="border-left: 2px solid #1010FF; margin-left: 5px; padding-left: 5px; color: #000; font-weight: normal; font-style: normal; text-decoration: none; font-family: Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;"><b>From: </b>"DJ-Pfulio" <djpfulio@jdpfu.com><br><b>To: </b>ale@ale.org<br><b>Sent: </b>Wednesday, August 19, 2015 12:11:30 PM<br><b>Subject: </b>Re: [ale] Desktop 32GB of RAM<br></blockquote></div><div data-marker="__QUOTED_TEXT__"><blockquote style="border-left: 2px solid #1010FF; margin-left: 5px; padding-left: 5px; color: #000; font-weight: normal; font-style: normal; text-decoration: none; font-family: Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;" data-mce-style="border-left: 2px solid #1010FF; margin-left: 5px; padding-left: 5px; color: #000; font-weight: normal; font-style: normal; text-decoration: none; font-family: Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;">On 08/19/2015 11:26 AM, Chris Fowler wrote:<br>> I even have a RH 8.0 tree we still maintain code on!<br><br>Daily or just as-needed?</blockquote><div>Just as needed.</div><blockquote style="border-left: 2px solid #1010FF; margin-left: 5px; padding-left: 5px; color: #000; font-weight: normal; font-style: normal; text-decoration: none; font-family: Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;" data-mce-style="border-left: 2px solid #1010FF; margin-left: 5px; padding-left: 5px; color: #000; font-weight: normal; font-style: normal; text-decoration: none; font-family: Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;"><br><br>I'd move these things to lxc or docker, package the environment up and push it<br>off to some cheap storage (3 copies for safety) and forget about it until needed<br>again.<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>The system it is on runs FC2 and is 12 years old. Again, I have scripts that will chroot into RH 8.0. This works well. I have many backups too.</div><blockquote style="border-left: 2px solid #1010FF; margin-left: 5px; padding-left: 5px; color: #000; font-weight: normal; font-style: normal; text-decoration: none; font-family: Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;" data-mce-style="border-left: 2px solid #1010FF; margin-left: 5px; padding-left: 5px; color: #000; font-weight: normal; font-style: normal; text-decoration: none; font-family: Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;">Virtualization is the best thing for being able to maintain old dev environments<br>without sucking current dev effort until necessary. Plus, you can bill the<br>client extra for staying on that old stuff for storage, thaw and freeze of their<br>specific environments as a way to encourage them to move forward. ;)<br>Eventually, cost will get them to switch or you'll be paid for the extra hassle.<br> win-win.<br></blockquote><div>The benefit of VM for dev on my desktop would be to have a separate IP and be able to run a few things if I require. In my "lab" I have my device that I load our software on via http. The initrd image sees a config file on the flash and will wget the software package, check it for errors, decrypt it, and write it do /dev/ram1. That is a cramfs RO fs. Using unionfs I then merge some RW space and pivot_root those as /.</div><div><br data-mce-bogus="1"></div><div>In the chroot environment I need to copy the package file out of that and into the html root of my desktop. I use scp. scp package cfowler@127.0.0.1:/dest. Just part of a build script that will automate a small build, upload to web server, ssh over to my device and restart. Device boots, loads package via http into /, and starts init!</div><div><br data-mce-bogus="1"></div><div>Another benefit of VM is that I can test pure 64 and pure 32 environments (no environments with both 32 and x86_64 libraries/programs).</div><div><br data-mce-bogus="1"></div><div><br data-mce-bogus="1"></div><div><br data-mce-bogus="1"></div><blockquote style="border-left: 2px solid #1010FF; margin-left: 5px; padding-left: 5px; color: #000; font-weight: normal; font-style: normal; text-decoration: none; font-family: Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;" data-mce-style="border-left: 2px solid #1010FF; margin-left: 5px; padding-left: 5px; color: #000; font-weight: normal; font-style: normal; text-decoration: none; font-family: Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;">_______________________________________________<br>Ale mailing list<br>Ale@ale.org<br>http://mail.ale.org/mailman/listinfo/ale<br>See JOBS, ANNOUNCE and SCHOOLS lists at<br>http://mail.ale.org/mailman/listinfo<br></blockquote></div></div></body></html>