<div dir="ltr">SCOTUS has not yet made a decision; this is an amicus brief by the DOJ in support of one side.</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, May 29, 2015 at 7:53 PM, Michael Trausch <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:mike@trausch.us" target="_blank">mike@trausch.us</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto"><div>Please explain to me how to fight a decision made by SC(r)OTU(m)S when there is no appeal process and there is no way to make them grant a hearing on any topic anyway? Am I missing something? Please tell me I am missing something. Because this really looks to me like the end of the road unless the executive rewrites the statutes and that scares me even more. <br><br>Sent from my iPhone</div><div><br>On May 29, 2015, at 1:58 PM, Pete Hardie <<a href="mailto:pete.hardie@gmail.com" target="_blank">pete.hardie@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small">I doubt this will stand.. I'm fairly sure IBM has a big enough stake in UNIX/Linux business to be willing to fight it, and the Big G can take this further.<br></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, May 29, 2015 at 1:46 PM, Michael Trausch <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:mike@trausch.us" target="_blank">mike@trausch.us</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto"><div>Yes I remember the first judge.</div><div><br></div><div>But he doesn't matter. It's the nine morons who make the law of the land who matter. And how they cannot hold themselves to at least the same standard as a lesser judge, despite the fact that they have literally no reason to make a false or undue ruling.... Well, I just don't know how they could've screwed that poor pooch so awful.</div><div><br></div><div>As I understand it, this is now the law of the land. That puts everything we've ever done at great risk here. We use Linux. It is an implementation of the UNIX API, and several vendors own rights that they can now use to stop its use.</div><div><br></div><div>Java? Well we KNOW Oracle will sue you. </div><div><br></div><div>Hrm... Is SQL an API? Better stop using them in the United States just to be safe.</div><div><br></div><div>I mean really. Now we need to write our own kernel and an intentionally incompatible C library to prevent being sued (and losing the lawsuit!)</div><div><br></div><div>I honestly don't know how to work in this environment. The more I think about it the more it seems to me I'd better avoid the problem entirely by ducking under the wing of an employer and throwing the idea of the business away.</div><div><br></div><div>Or move to Canada which welcomes programmers and still provides among the best of environments for them.</div><div><br></div><div>Think one of the wives would like that idea. The other one not so much. The kids? Who knows. </div><div><br>Sent from my iPhone</div><div><br>On May 29, 2015, at 9:32 AM, Charles Shapiro <<a href="mailto:hooterpincher@gmail.com" target="_blank">hooterpincher@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><div dir="ltr"><div>Yeh, it's tres crazy. The first judge (the esteemed William Alsup) actually learned to program in Java ( <a href="http://radar.oreilly.com/2012/05/judge-alsup-codes.html" target="_blank">http://radar.oreilly.com/2012/05/judge-alsup-codes.html</a> ) so he could understand the issues, then wound up ruling that APIs were NOT copyrightable. Alas, the court on appeal was not so thorough.<br><br></div>-- CHS<br><br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, May 29, 2015 at 1:32 AM, Michael Trausch <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:mike@trausch.us" target="_blank">mike@trausch.us</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto"><div>For fucks sake. I haven't even the words. </div><div><br></div><div>If I could get sued for wiring code that does nothing more than links to another library, I don't see any reasonable not rational choice but to find something else to do!</div><div><br></div><div>How can they not see that it is exactly the same as the interface of keyboard to user, or steering wheel to driver? The steering wheel is an universally accepted "operational interface" to a vehicle. If an API can be copyrighted, which is nothing more than a descriptor of what's behind it, then it should be perfectly fair to abuse copyright as patent on the steering wheel.</div><div><br></div><div>What a mindfuck. </div><div><br>Sent from my iPhone</div><div><div><div><br>On May 28, 2015, at 11:02 AM, Charles Shapiro <<a href="mailto:hooterpincher@gmail.com" target="_blank">hooterpincher@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><div dir="ltr"><div>You probably don't want to read it if you're already mad about something else..<br><br><a href="https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20150526/16550931121/obama-administration-files-totally-clueless-argument-concerning-software-copyrights-supreme-court-case.shtml" target="_blank">https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20150526/16550931121/obama-administration-files-totally-clueless-argument-concerning-software-copyrights-supreme-court-case.shtml</a><br><br></div>-- CHS<br><br></div>
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