<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto"><div>When this issue happened with the 15" MacBook Pro in ~2008/2009 Apple stepped up and fixed the problem. I believe they did a full motherboard replacement on mine in 2011 even though I bought it used and there was no extended warranty.<br><br>Ray Knight<div><br></div></div><div><br>On Mar 30, 2015, at 4:49 PM, Neal Rhodes <<a href="mailto:neal@mnopltd.com">neal@mnopltd.com</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div>
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Yeah, probably a bit too much spin on my part. You can tell I'm still .......... not a happy bunny over having to replace a notebook prematurely. <br>
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Sadly, those chips can get hot enough to reflow their attachment solder. However, that is only a specific problem with HP who used a poorly sized heat sink coupled with a low quality thermal pad. Asus didn't have the problem as they bolted on the heatsink.<br>
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Well, I have on one corner of my Desk an HP Pavillion notebook with AMD components. It has apparently gotten too hot watching BBC shows on Acorn, and the GPU has de-soldered itself from the board. And apparently this is a known behavior of HP notebooks with AMD components. While shopping for an Intel replacement, even at the low tech Office Depot if you say "No, I don't want to look at HP nor AMD" they say "oh, you must have been burned by your AMD GPU, eh?". <br>
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Thus an HP/AMD computer has the lonely status of the ONLY computer I or my company has ever owned which will not now boot up. I have a few still that are obsolete, but at least they will power up. <br>
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So, I have no sympathy for AMD. Or HP. <br>
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<pre>Ouch.
AMD is not doing well. After kicking Intel in the teeth a decade ago
with the Opteron they ran into build issues, stumbled, and have never
recovered their momentum. They still don't have a PCIe v.3 capable
chipset. It's been 4+ years since PCIe v.3 came out. That alone will
kill them in the server market.
Their consumer cpu's are still a better bang for buck line-up than Intel
but they can't sell enough of what looks like last year's technology to
the gamer crowd or the business box buyer.
I don't expect to see them around in 2020 and that will be a bad thing.
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> Today in microcenter i didn't see any AMD based laptop ...
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