<div dir="ltr"><div>Does this systemd vs init controversy actually lead out to anything useful? I reboot my laptop a lot and I have never pined away for a faster boot time. Ubuntu Studio 14.04LTS seems to be running both daemons, but starting with init.<br><br>me@telcontar-2:~$ pgrep init<br>1<br>2606<br>3780<br>me@telcontar-2:~$ pgrep systemd<br>373<br>1047<br>me@telcontar-2:~$ uname -a<br>Linux telcontar-2 3.13.0-41-lowlatency #70-Ubuntu SMP PREEMPT Tue Nov 25 15:07:35 UTC 2014 i686 i686 i686 GNU/Linux<br><br></div>When I was running a lot of Debian systems, I hardly ever rebooted any of them, except lab environment hosts. I have never seen a kernel panic, except on my laptop, where I beta test stuff. I am running Fedora VMs and have not felt that the systemd initialization was much faster than any other initiation system. <br><br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br clear="all"><div><div class="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr">Wolf Halton<br>Mobile 678-687-6104 <br>--<br>Expand Your Vision = Enhance Your Impact <br>Marketing and Security in the Cloud - <a href="http://atlantaCloudTech.com" target="_blank">http://AtlantaCloudTech.com</a> <br><br></div></div></div>
<br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Dec 1, 2014 at 7:22 PM, Solomon Peachy <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:pizza@shaftnet.org" target="_blank">pizza@shaftnet.org</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><span class="">On Mon, Dec 01, 2014 at 06:51:26PM -0500, James Sumners wrote:<br>
> Really? I'll let the comments on [1] do most of the talking. I wanted to<br>
> link the article that post is about, but the article author changed the<br>
> content. It originally detailed how you'd have to install systemd to<br>
> install Jessie, and then jump through some hoops to get it removed after OS<br>
> install.<br>
<br>
</span>Systemd is *default* in Jessie, so of course it's installed and running<br>
unless you say otherwise; but it's not intended to be automatically<br>
enabled if you're upgrading an older system -- if it happens, file a<br>
bug, that's what release freezes are for!<br>
<br>
So, if you don't like systemd to be running, turn it off and uninstall<br>
(most of) it -- It's a simple apt-get command.<br>
<br>
Continuing on, If you are objecting to libraries remaining on the hard<br>
disk, you might as well be complaining that you need e2fsprogs installed<br>
when you don't have any ext2/3/4 filesystems -- because the libaries are<br>
used by other tools and it had to be enabled at compile time or not at<br>
all.<br>
<br>
Sure, one could mangle everything to load every potential feature and<br>
dependency at runtime, but that's a lot of work to save a couple hunded<br>
kilobytes of disk space at a time. You're welcome to do it if it means<br>
that much to you; I'm sure deb package maintainers will happily accept<br>
patches. Otherwise everyone has much has better things to do. Like<br>
knocking out actual bugs in Jessie.<br>
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- Solomon<br>
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