<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Sep 9, 2014 at 10:35 AM, Paul Cartwright <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:pbcartwright@gmail.com" target="_blank">pbcartwright@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"><div id=":1eb" class="" style="overflow:hidden"> found this on the fedora list, where they are also hashing out systemd...<br>
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<a href="http://boycottsystemd.org/" target="_blank">http://boycottsystemd.org/</a></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>All of that is awesome. But point #10 says exactly what I've been saying this whole thread, just in better words:</div><div><br></div><div>"10. systemd's complicated nature makes it harder to extend and step outside its boundaries. While you can more or less trivially start shell scripts from unit files, it's more difficult to write behavior that goes outside the box, what with all the feature bloat. Many users will likely need to write more complicated programs that directly interact with the systemd API, or even patch systemd directly. One also needs to worry about a much higher multitude of code paths and behaviors in a system-critical program, including the possibility of systemd not synchronizing with the message bus queue on boot, and thus freezing. This is as opposed to a conventional init, which is deterministic and predictable in nature, mostly just execing scripts."</div><div><br></div><div>i.e. it gets in the way.</div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"><div id=":1eb" class="" style="overflow:hidden"><br>
as I asked before, who runs *BSD, or is it even worth looking for a desktop system that doesn't run systemd..</div></blockquote></div><br>Technically, I use a *BSD system that doesn't use systemd, but it does use something just as annoying -- launchd. If I were to switch back to using FOSS for my daily desktop needs (it's possible), I'd give FreeBSD or OpenBSD a chance.<br><br clear="all"><div><br></div>-- <br>James Sumners<br><a href="http://james.roomfullofmirrors.com/">http://james.roomfullofmirrors.com/</a><br><br>"All governments suffer a recurring problem: Power attracts pathological personalities. It is not that power corrupts but that it is magnetic to the corruptible. Such people have a tendency to become drunk on violence, a condition to which they are quickly addicted."<br><br>Missionaria Protectiva, Text QIV (decto)<br>CH:D 59
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