<div dir="ltr"><div><div>Every time "things change" in a major way, there's much wailing and gnashing of teeth. Some people still use systems that have no package manager. Some are still using kernel 2.1.x series. Linux users are lucky in that they do have choices. Why are all of the major distros jumping on systemd? Because it solves a host of issues with all the prior ways. Unlike the techweek grumbler, there is no binary database of proprietary configurations parameters, i.e. a Windows-style registry. There are the usual text files, linked in an initially confusing manner but is actually self-sufficiently logical once studied objectively.<br><br><br></div>I am by no means proficient at it but I use it daily. Some new commands are needed, chiefly systemctl, but it makes things better. Much better. I had an issue with NFS on a CentOS7 server. Thanks to systemctl status I was able to see quickly that the port 2049 it needed to attach to for NFSv4 was already in use (from a prior run that broke due to fat fingering). Just having the last several lines of the log show up on a status run is fantastic.<br><br></div>+1 for systemd.<br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Sep 5, 2014 at 9:50 AM, Michael Trausch <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:mike@trausch.us" target="_blank">mike@trausch.us</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Will explain later---but you WANT systemd. Really. It's much, MUCH more efficient. And allows you to have a 4 package system, essentially. And makes a lot of sense to work with once you get to know it well.<br>
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> On Sep 5, 2014, at 8:30 AM, James Sumners <<a href="mailto:james.sumners@gmail.com">james.sumners@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
><br>
> I stopped using Arch Linux because they forced systemd on us (me). I'm<br>
> thoroughly disappointed that the next release of Debian is also forcing a<br>
> move to it. But, really, they don't have an option:<br>
><br>
> "In November 2012, the GNOME Project concluded that basic GNOME<br>
> functionality should not rely on systemd.[16]<br>
> <<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Systemd#cite_note-16" target="_blank">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Systemd#cite_note-16</a>> However, in<br>
> contradiction of this statement, GNOME 3.8 introduced a *de facto* dependency<br>
> on systemd by introducing session management behaviors which depend on how<br>
> systemd operates. While the developers of Gentoo Linux<br>
> <<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gentoo_Linux" target="_blank">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gentoo_Linux</a>>attempted to adapt these changes<br>
> in OpenRC <<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenRC" target="_blank">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenRC</a>>, the implementation<br>
> contained too many bugs, causing the distribution to mark systemd as a<br>
> dependency of GNOME." --<br>
> <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Systemd#GNOME_integration" target="_blank">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Systemd#GNOME_integration</a><br>
><br>
> So, a distribution either _doesn't_ include GNOME (no loss in my opinion,<br>
> but people do like it), or it includes GNOME at the cost of also having to<br>
> include systemd.<br>
><br>
> What it comes down to is the developers of systemd. This package is brought<br>
> to you by the same person who gave us the wonderfully useless and awful<br>
> Pulse Audio system. And his cohorts routinely draw the ire of others:<br>
><br>
> <a href="https://lkml.org/lkml/2014/4/2/420" target="_blank">https://lkml.org/lkml/2014/4/2/420</a><br>
> <a href="https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=76935" target="_blank">https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=76935</a> (whole thing is worth<br>
> reading for much enlightenment)<br>
><br>
> So, we have a project run by people who like to force their software onto<br>
> others by getting it included as a non-optional dependency who then go on<br>
> to not give a damn about what their bugs break or whom they affect. Now,<br>
> they want to take over the whole damn system --<br>
> <a href="http://0pointer.net/blog/revisiting-how-we-put-together-linux-systems.html" target="_blank">http://0pointer.net/blog/revisiting-how-we-put-together-linux-systems.html</a><br>
><br>
> I agree with the "systemd is a trojan" statement. I very much agree with it.<br>
><br>
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>> On Fri, Sep 5, 2014 at 7:55 AM, Boris Borisov <<a href="mailto:bugyatl@gmail.com">bugyatl@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
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