<div dir="ltr"><div><div>That sounds quite reasonable.<br><br></div>But then I would advocate that drug patents, because much research work that leads to them is funded by NIH, that means the population at large through tax money, should be required to be PPG style.<br>
<br></div>for that matter, that's a HUGE argument in favor of using public money for research - it will never get locked away from the people who pay for it if the outcome is PPG patents.<br></div><div class="gmail_extra">
<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Oct 10, 2013 at 1:26 PM, Sean Kilpatrick <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:kilpatms@gmail.com" target="_blank">kilpatms@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px">The only fly in the ointment with this plan is new drug patents. The approval procedure can take a lot longer than five years. But the patent application has to be made before any testing can begin. For drugs I would favor a time period that runs from the date of final approval by the FDA (here in the USA.)</p>
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<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px">On Thursday, October 10, 2013 11:50:33 am Jim Kinney wrote:</p>
<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px">> I vote for patents to be cut to 5 years with no chance of extension,</p>
<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px">> copyrights to be lifetime of original human creator as long as they</p>
<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px">> retain the full copyright. A copyright sold by the original human</p>
<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px">> creator has a life of the lessor of 10 years or lifetime of the</p>
<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px">> original creator with no extension possible. No non-human entity can</p>
<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px">> can apply for a copyright or patent. a group of humans may own</p>
<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px">> copyrights and the lifetime rule is the lesser of 10 years past the</p>
<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px">> shortest lifetime of the group or the longest lifetime of the group.</p>
<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px">> </p>
<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px">> Patents and copyrights held in foreign countries can't be defended in</p>
<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px">> US courts unless US taxes are paid on the US income they generate</p>
<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px">> (i.e. - US tech firm pays zillions to foreign shell company for</p>
<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px">> "licensing" to lower US income for tax purposes. OK. But that patent</p>
<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px">> is not protected in the US and can be treated is public domain</p>
<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px">> material in the US. If you don't support the system, you don't get to</p>
<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px">> use the system.).</p>
<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px">> </p>
<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px">> Patents can only be for things that have physical mass. I would LOVE to</p>
<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px">> see a new patent protection concept of "Patent for the Public Good"</p>
<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px">> that has a lifetime protection of 50 years and works like GPLv3 - use</p>
<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px">> it and make money from it and add innovations to the patent for all to</p>
<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px">> use license free (with one caveat - for-profit entities using PPGs are</p>
<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px">> required to put up money to defend the PPGs they use - sort-of license</p>
<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px">> like and not well thought out yet.).</p>
<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px">> </p>
<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px">> On Thu, Oct 10, 2013 at 9:42 AM, JD <<a href="mailto:jdp@algoloma.com" target="_blank">jdp@algoloma.com</a>> wrote:</p>
<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px">> > On 10/09/2013 05:05 PM, Jim Kinney wrote:</p>
<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px">> > > The tolkien family is a bit nutty. Shouldn't that book series be</p>
<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px">> > > out of copyright by now?</p>
<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px">> > </p>
<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px">> > What? Like Mickey Mouse and anything over 50 yrs old should? IMHO.</p>
<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px">> > Copyright and</p>
<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px">> > patents were never intended to last forever.</p>
<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px">> > </p>
<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px">> > Except that our laws can be bought by non-voting entities.</p>
<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px">> > </p>
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