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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">It's 95 years after the death of the
      author.&nbsp; His/her heirs get to retain the copyright for like
      forever. <br>
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      On 10/09/2013 04:40 PM, Scott Plante wrote:<br>
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      <div>They just bump up the limit whenever early Mickey Mouse
        copyrights get close to expiring. I believe they're at 95 years
        now, which is more than long enough to take care of the
        authors/creators for their lifetimes assuming they're not small
        children when they create the copyrighted works.&nbsp;<br>
        <br>
        Scott</div>
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        Sent from my tablet.&nbsp;</div>
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        On Oct 9, 2013, at 5:28 PM, "Lightner, Jeff" &lt;<a
          moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:JLightner@water.com">JLightner@water.com</a>&gt;
        wrote:<br>
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            <p class="MsoNormal"><span>I recall the Ballantine Books
                copy I had back in the 70s contained a blurb on the back
                written by JRR saying something along the lines of
                &#8220;Those who approve of courtesy (to a living author at
                least) should by this version and no other.&#8221; Which
                always made me think someone else was publishing his
                books because he&#8217;d let the copyright lapse.</span></p>
            <p class="MsoNormal"><span>&nbsp;</span></p>
            <p class="MsoNormal"><span>I have heard discussion that
                Copyrights in Europe are far longer than the US and
                we&#8217;re getting the longer Copyrights for some things to
                be more congruent with them.</span></p>
            <p class="MsoNormal"><span>&nbsp;</span></p>
            <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span>From:</span></b><span> <a
                  moz-do-not-send="true"
                  href="mailto:ale-bounces@ale.org">ale-bounces@ale.org</a>
                [<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                  href="mailto:ale-bounces@ale.org">mailto:ale-bounces@ale.org</a>]
                <b>On Behalf Of </b>Jim Kinney<br>
                <b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, October 09, 2013 5:05 PM<br>
                <b>To:</b> Atlanta Linux Enthusiasts<br>
                <b>Subject:</b> Re: [ale] Monitoring (Was "Todays
                trends")</span></p>
            <p class="MsoNormal">&nbsp;</p>
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                <p class="MsoNormal">Excellent! That is what I am
                  looking for. did not know the history.</p>
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              <p class="MsoNormal">The tolkien family is a bit nutty.
                Shouldn't that book series be out of copyright by now?</p>
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              <p class="MsoNormal">&nbsp;</p>
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                <p class="MsoNormal">On Wed, Oct 9, 2013 at 2:33 PM,
                  Chris Ricker &lt;<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                    href="mailto:chris.ricker@gmail.com" target="_blank">chris.ricker@gmail.com</a>&gt;
                  wrote:</p>
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                    <p class="MsoNormal">Xymon (previously hobbit) is
                      the open source replacement / successor to Big
                      Brother.
                      <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                        href="http://xymon.sourceforge.net/"
                        target="_blank">http://xymon.sourceforge.net/</a><br>
                      <br>
                      It started out as a patch addon to speed up BB,
                      back in the days when BB was not quite free
                      software but did provide source code. After Quest
                      closed the BB source (even for paid licensees such
                      as yours truly who were running it on hardware
                      they refused to provide binaries for --way to
                      honor that license, Quest!) hobbit evolved into
                      its own thing and most of the developer community
                      around BB went with it. Then the Tolkien family
                      came after it, so now it's Xymon....</p>
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                        <p class="MsoNormal"><br>
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                          On 10/9/13 1:42 PM, Jim Kinney wrote:</p>
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                            <p class="MsoNormal"><a
                                moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://communities.quest.com/community/big-brother?view=overview#/?tagSet=1217"
                                target="_blank">http://communities.quest.com/community/big-brother?view=overview#/?tagSet=1217</a></p>
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                          <p class="MsoNormal">Looks like BB is $0. It
                            is certainly NOT open source. compiled
                            binaries for many platforms.</p>
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                          <p class="MsoNormal">&nbsp;</p>
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                            <p class="MsoNormal">On Wed, Oct 9, 2013 at
                              1:15 PM, Jim Kinney &lt;<a
                                moz-do-not-send="true"
                                href="mailto:jim.kinney@gmail.com"
                                target="_blank">jim.kinney@gmail.com</a>&gt;
                              wrote:</p>
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                                  <p class="MsoNormal">Big Brother's
                                    background color was a simple and
                                    brilliant way to show overall
                                    health. Big Sister, the FLOSS BB
                                    rewrite, never managed to hit
                                    critical mass but made it to a 1.0+
                                    release in 2006. BB is still around
                                    after being acquired by Quest (and
                                    now Dell has Quest it appears?) but
                                    is no longer "free". It never was
                                    FLOSS.<br>
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                                <p class="MsoNormal">Nagios
                                  configuration is convoluted. Don't
                                  like it. _REALLY_ want some solid
                                  logic to add besides time and
                                  pester-me counts. If this AND this but
                                  NOT this then flag once and don't page
                                  until this followed by this however if
                                  this AND this AND this page NOW (yeah
                                  - good luck with that).</p>
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                              <p class="MsoNormal">I been a consumer of
                                Zabbix and found it a better layout that
                                nagios. An install of zabbix is soon in
                                my future.</p>
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                                    <p class="MsoNormal">On Wed, Oct 9,
                                      2013 at 8:33 AM, Jerald Sheets
                                      &lt;<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                                        href="mailto:questy@gmail.com"
                                        target="_blank">questy@gmail.com</a>&gt;
                                      wrote:</p>
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                                      On Oct 9, 2013, at 7:45 AM,
                                      "Lightner, Jeff" &lt;<a
                                        moz-do-not-send="true"
                                        href="mailto:JLightner@water.com"
                                        target="_blank">JLightner@water.com</a>&gt;
                                      wrote:<br>
                                      <br>
                                      &gt; So the issue wasn't Nagios -
                                      it was the folks managing it.<br>
                                      &gt;<br>
                                      &gt; Nagios is a great tool and we
                                      use it in Production.<br>
                                      <br>
                                      <br>
                                      <br>
                                      I'll bite. &nbsp;Nobody better to
                                      discuss with than the ALE family&#8230;<br>
                                      <br>
                                      <br>
                                      So, I hate Nagios. &nbsp;Can't express
                                      how much I dislike the product,
                                      the layout of the alerting, the
                                      lack of a comprehensive, easy to
                                      see and understand dashboard with
                                      easily managed/administered
                                      acknowledgements, mobile
                                      accessibility, automation,
                                      escalation paging&#8230; you name it.<br>
                                      <br>
                                      Now, before you freak out, I know
                                      it's all in there, but I
                                      personally find it markedly
                                      difficult to find all this stuff
                                      in the way Nagios has decided to
                                      lay everything out.<br>
                                      <br>
                                      <br>
                                      Is this just a "me" thing? &nbsp;Is it
                                      because my earliest and most often
                                      used monitoring stuff is from a
                                      "Big Brother" background? &nbsp;(BB,
                                      Hobbit, Xymon, Foglight,
                                      Spotlight)<br>
                                      <br>
                                      <br>
                                      What's the general landscape of
                                      monitoring tools and utilities in
                                      use out there?<br>
                                      <br>
                                      <br>
                                      --Jerald<br>
                                      <br>
                                      <br>
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                                <p class="MsoNormal"><span>-- <br>
                                    James P. Kinney III<br>
                                    <i><br>
                                    </i>Every time you stop a school,
                                    you will have to build a jail. What
                                    you gain at one end you lose at the
                                    other. It's like feeding a dog on
                                    his own tail. It won't fatten the
                                    dog.<br>
                                    - Speech 11/23/1900 Mark Twain<br>
                                    <i><br>
                                      <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                                        href="http://heretothereideas.blogspot.com/"
                                        target="_blank">http://heretothereideas.blogspot.com/</a></i></span></p>
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                            <p class="MsoNormal">-- <br>
                              James P. Kinney III<br>
                              <i><br>
                              </i>Every time you stop a school, you will
                              have to build a jail. What you gain at one
                              end you lose at the other. It's like
                              feeding a dog on his own tail. It won't
                              fatten the dog.<br>
                              - Speech 11/23/1900 Mark Twain<br>
                              <i><br>
                                <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                                  href="http://heretothereideas.blogspot.com/"
                                  target="_blank">http://heretothereideas.blogspot.com/</a></i></p>
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                <p class="MsoNormal">-- <br>
                  James P. Kinney III<br>
                  <i><br>
                  </i>Every time you stop a school, you will have to
                  build a jail. What you gain at one end you lose at the
                  other. It's like feeding a dog on his own tail. It
                  won't fatten the dog.<br>
                  - Speech 11/23/1900 Mark Twain<br>
                  <i><br>
                    <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                      href="http://heretothereideas.blogspot.com/"
                      target="_blank">http://heretothereideas.blogspot.com/</a></i></p>
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          <p class="f758a8b8-08bf-4bab-8d22-45dba9e71175">Athena&reg;,
            Created for the Cause&#8482;
          </p>
          <p class="f758a8b8-08bf-4bab-8d22-45dba9e71175">Making a
            Difference in the Fight Against Breast Cancer</p>
          <p class="f758a8b8-08bf-4bab-8d22-45dba9e71175">&nbsp;</p>
          <p class="f758a8b8-08bf-4bab-8d22-45dba9e71175">&nbsp;</p>
          <p class="f758a8b8-08bf-4bab-8d22-45dba9e71175"><strong>How
              and Why I Should Support Bottled Water!<br>
            </strong>Do not relinquish your right to choose bottled
            water as a healthy alternative to beverages that contain
            sugar, calories, etc. Your support of bottled water will
            make a difference! Your signatures count! Go to
            <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.bottledwatermatters.org/luv-bottledwater-iframe/dswaters">http://www.bottledwatermatters.org/luv-bottledwater-iframe/dswaters</a>
            and sign a petition to support your right to always choose
            bottled water. Help fight federal and state issues, such as
            bottle deposits (or taxes) and organizations that want to
            ban the sale of bottled water. Support community curbside
            recycling programs. Support bottled water as a healthy way
            to maintain proper hydration. Our goal is 50,000 signatures.
            Share this petition with your friends and family today!</p>
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