<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto"><div>They just bump up the limit whenever early Mickey Mouse copyrights get close to expiring. I believe they're at 95 years now, which is more than long enough to take care of the authors/creators for their lifetimes assuming they're not small children when they create the copyrighted works. <br><br>Scott</div><div><br>Sent from my tablet. </div><div><br>On Oct 9, 2013, at 5:28 PM, "Lightner, Jeff" <<a href="mailto:JLightner@water.com">JLightner@water.com</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">I recall the Ballantine Books copy I had back in the 70s contained a blurb on the back written by JRR saying something along the lines of “Those who approve
of courtesy (to a living author at least) should by this version and no other.” Which always made me think someone else was publishing his books because he’d let the copyright lapse.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">I have heard discussion that Copyrights in Europe are far longer than the US and we’re getting the longer Copyrights for some things to be more congruent with
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Jim Kinney<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, October 09, 2013 5:05 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Atlanta Linux Enthusiasts<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [ale] Monitoring (Was "Todays trends")<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">Excellent! That is what I am looking for. did not know the history.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">The tolkien family is a bit nutty. Shouldn't that book series be out of copyright by now?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Wed, Oct 9, 2013 at 2:33 PM, Chris Ricker <<a href="mailto:chris.ricker@gmail.com" target="_blank">chris.ricker@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Xymon (previously hobbit) is the open source replacement / successor to Big Brother.
<a href="http://xymon.sourceforge.net/" target="_blank">http://xymon.sourceforge.net/</a><br>
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It started out as a patch addon to speed up BB, back in the days when BB was not quite free software but did provide source code. After Quest closed the BB source (even for paid licensees such as yours truly who were running it on hardware they refused to provide
binaries for --way to honor that license, Quest!) hobbit evolved into its own thing and most of the developer community around BB went with it. Then the Tolkien family came after it, so now it's Xymon....<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Looks like BB is $0. It is certainly NOT open source. compiled binaries for many platforms.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Wed, Oct 9, 2013 at 1:15 PM, Jim Kinney <<a href="mailto:jim.kinney@gmail.com" target="_blank">jim.kinney@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">Big Brother's background color was a simple and brilliant way to show overall health. Big Sister, the FLOSS BB rewrite, never managed to hit critical mass but made it to a 1.0+ release in 2006. BB is still around
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">Nagios configuration is convoluted. Don't like it. _REALLY_ want some solid logic to add besides time and pester-me counts. If this AND this but NOT this then flag once and don't page until this followed by
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On Oct 9, 2013, at 7:45 AM, "Lightner, Jeff" <<a href="mailto:JLightner@water.com" target="_blank">JLightner@water.com</a>> wrote:<br>
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> So the issue wasn't Nagios - it was the folks managing it.<br>
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I'll bite. Nobody better to discuss with than the ALE family…<br>
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So, I hate Nagios. Can't express how much I dislike the product, the layout of the alerting, the lack of a comprehensive, easy to see and understand dashboard with easily managed/administered acknowledgements, mobile accessibility, automation, escalation paging…
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Now, before you freak out, I know it's all in there, but I personally find it markedly difficult to find all this stuff in the way Nagios has decided to lay everything out.<br>
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Is this just a "me" thing? Is it because my earliest and most often used monitoring stuff is from a "Big Brother" background? (BB, Hobbit, Xymon, Foglight, Spotlight)<br>
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