<div dir="ltr">I have been using exclusively 10% ethanol since it become available in the early eighties.<div><br></div><div style>I bought a brand new 1987 chevy celebrity and put 170,000 miles on it. I always ran 10% ethanol from top tier gas stations. When I donated the car to some charity it still got great gas milage and did not use oil. I had the fuel injectors cleaned NO MORE than once.</div>
<div style><br></div><div style>Since that time I have owned several cars and always run exclusively 10% ethanol. I have never had any engine problems.</div><div style><br></div><div style>I really believe that running ethanol is not a problem on any car designed to run it.</div>
<div style><br></div><div style>I will say this....</div><div style>I had a convertible that would sometimes sit in the garage for a few weeks at a time. When it sat for over a week it would take a few cranks to start it. If I used sta-bil, it could sit for months and start on the first crank.</div>
<div style><br></div><div style><br></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Sep 21, 2013 at 3:47 PM, Courtney Thomas <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:courtneycthomas@bellsouth.net" target="_blank">courtneycthomas@bellsouth.net</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div class="HOEnZb"><div class="h5">On 9/21/2013 10:41 AM, Ken Cochran wrote:<br>
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I'm surprised there hasn't been mentioned on this list<br>
(until now :) that ethanol gasoline is most efficient at<br>
a different air-fuel ratio (umm, it needs to be richer<br>
I think). I've always found it to run poorly (if at all)<br>
in carbureted engines or even very old fuel-injected ones<br>
(i.e. pre-early-'90s engines that can't adjust their fuel<br>
mix ratios accurately/electronically). And we really can't<br>
adjust the carburetors to compensate because the mixing jets<br>
are/were usually factory calibrated & not adjustable (except<br>
maybe for idle). Examples are *any* kind of outdoor power<br>
equipment (mowers, trimmers, chainsaws, older (carbureted)<br>
outboard motors, older (carbureted) inboard marine engines,<br>
and of course antique vehicles. Ethanol gasoline works ok in<br>
modern fuel-injected engines (albeit with decreased effiency<br>
- they adjust themselves to enrich the air-fuel), and as<br>
has been mentioned on this list, used enough that the fuel<br>
"flushes through" & isn't stored for very long.<br>
<br>
Also, I don't believe I've seen *any* metal fuel system<br>
component (other than a fuel-injector itself) on any vehicle<br>
made since the mid-'90s (probably before, too). I might<br>
speculate that this material change was for weight & lower<br>
manufacturing cost but there's also corrosion resistance<br>
(ethanol gasoline is corrosive to metals from what I've seen).<br>
<br>
Thought I'd toss that out I guess... :)<br>
<br>
-kc<br>
<br>
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Date: Sat, 21 Sep 2013 07:56:57 -0400<br>
From: Michael Potter <<a href="mailto:michael@potter.name" target="_blank">michael@potter.name</a>><br>
To: Atlanta Linux Enthusiasts <<a href="mailto:ale@ale.org" target="_blank">ale@ale.org</a>><br>
Subject: Re: [ale] [OT] - Ethanol-free gas in the Atlanta area?<br>
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+1 Sta-bil<br>
<br>
On Fri, Sep 20, 2013 at 6:28 AM, Sean Kilpatrick <<a href="mailto:kilpatms@gmail.com" target="_blank">kilpatms@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
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**<br>
<br>
Yes, absolutely. Gasoline mixed with ethanol degrades quickly (think<br>
weeks, not months.) The ethanol causes crud to form in aluminum carbs and<br>
rots out the rubber fuel lines in small engines, especially two-strokes.<br>
The carbs on these engines MUST be drained dry after each use to prevent<br>
damage. I speak from bitter experience. :(<br>
<br>
The solution is simple: use ethanol-free gasoline and add Sta-bil to the<br>
gas. A treated 2 gallon tank will last all summer.<br>
<br>
Sean<br>
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On Friday, September 20, 2013 02:48:11 am Jeff Hubbs wrote:<br>
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But is ethanol-free worth going out of one's way for for use with<br>
lawnmowers and/or 2-stroke lawn equipment, especially when such<br>
equipment sits idle for a few weeks or months at a time?<br>
<br>
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Ken,<br>
<br>
I have a couple of old Mercedes, a U.S. 1982 380SL, and a 1984 Euro 500SL, that are injected and have been using the ethanol stuff since it is the only practically available fuel<br>
here in Alpharetta, to my knowledge, but have not noticed any problem for about 10 years now, but frankly, don't know if the fuel air mixture is electronically compensated.<br>
They are both V8s by the way.<br>
<br>
What should I be on the lookout for, as I want no other and intend to be buried in one of 'em :-)<br>
<br>
Finally, any preventative suggestions ?<br>
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Appreciatively,<br>
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