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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Furthermore, vBulletin looks like a
      separate, for-pay product.&nbsp; I guess this particular flaw would
      have been there no matter what the host platform OS was.<br>
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      On 7/21/13 5:05 PM, Jim Kinney wrote:<br>
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        <div>FACEBOOK IS SECURE?!?!?!?! when did that happen?<br>
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        PHP, according to many security people far more knowledgeable
        than me, continues to suffer from design flaws in the core. Now
        add in the rampant proliferation of poorly coded add-ons and you
        get the mess that is PHP. It make Java look good.<br>
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        <div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Jul 21, 2013 at 4:44 PM, Andy
          Borgmann <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a moz-do-not-send="true"
              href="mailto:andy@borgmann.me" target="_blank">andy@borgmann.me</a>&gt;</span>
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            <div dir="ltr">Where do you see this being a PHP
              non-security. &nbsp;It sounds like it was an updated version of
              vBulletin's admin panel that had a security flaw. &nbsp;Even if
              vBulletin is coded in PHP, I don't see why blaming PHP as
              a whole is warranted in this case and not just vBulletin.
              &nbsp;PHP seems secure enough or Facebook.</div>
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                <div><b>--</b></div>
                <div><b>Andy Borgmann</b><br>
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                  <div>E-mail: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
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                        color="#990000">andy@borgmann.me</font></a>&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;
                    &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp;<br>
                    Cell Phone:&nbsp;<font color="#990000"><a
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                        492-6527</a></font>&nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;</div>
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                    "<i>Preach the Word; be prepared in season and out
                      of season; correct,&nbsp;<br>
                      rebuke and encourage - with great patience and
                      careful instruction.</i>" - 2Timothy 4:2</div>
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                  <div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Jul 21, 2013 at 3:47
                    PM, JD <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a
                        moz-do-not-send="true"
                        href="mailto:jdp@algoloma.com" target="_blank">jdp@algoloma.com</a>&gt;</span>
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                      <div>On 07/21/2013 01:27 PM, James Taylor wrote:<br>
                        &gt; Ubuntu is a linux distro, isn't it?<br>
                        &gt; I keep forgetting because it keeps looking
                        so much like a Microsoft product....<br>
                        &gt; -jt<br>
                        &gt;<br>
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                      <div>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Edward Holcroft &lt;<a
                          moz-do-not-send="true"
                          href="mailto:eholcroft@mkainc.com"
                          target="_blank">eholcroft@mkainc.com</a>&gt;
                        7/21/2013 &nbsp; 12:49 PM &gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
                        &gt; If this was Microsoft I'd be snickering
                        about their poor security ... not<br>
                        &gt; good at all.<br>
                        &gt;<br>
                        &gt; <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2013/07/ubuntu-forum-hacked-users-advised-to-change-passwords"
                          target="_blank">http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2013/07/ubuntu-forum-hacked-users-advised-to-change-passwords</a><br>
                        &gt;<br>
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                      This is less about Linux security and more about
                      php non-security. &nbsp;Talk to<br>
                      security pros about php. It was an eye opener for
                      me.<br>
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