<div dir="ltr">cleaning a mercury spill IS a green job! That's the color people turn when they die from not cleaning a mercury spill.<br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Jul 3, 2013 at 12:49 PM, Richard Bronosky <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:richard@bronosky.com" target="_blank">richard@bronosky.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><p dir="ltr">But CFLs create "green jobs"! </p><div class="HOEnZb"><div class="h5">
<div class="gmail_quote">On Jul 3, 2013 12:43 PM, "Jay Lozier" <<a href="mailto:jslozier@gmail.com" target="_blank">jslozier@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br type="attribution"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
Hi,<br>
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In a previous job I got very familiar with the EPA rules which lowered my already low opinion of the EPA. One problem is that the disposal of the CFL bulbs should be at a hazardous waste facility certified to handle mercury not at a non-hazardous sanitary landfill. Technically you could be charged with a federal felony if you improperly dispose a hazardous waste - I am not sure if there are any minimum quantity.<br>
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While incandescent bulbs used more energy they were non-hazardous waste when they burnt out.<br>
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Also, CFL can aggravate certain medical problems which incandescent bulbs never did.<br>
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Often overlooked is the manufacturing process for CFL and LED bulbs may be more damaging to the environment than for incandescent bulbs even with the higher energy consumption.<br>
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Jay<br>
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On Wed, 03 Jul 2013 12:16:18 -0400, Ron Frazier (ALE) <<a href="mailto:atllinuxenthinfo@techstarship.com" target="_blank">atllinuxenthinfo@<u></u>techstarship.com</a>> wrote:<br>
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Just wanted to drop a note about some LED light bulbs I've seen recently. Â As you may know, the manufacture of incandescent light bulbs is being phased out. Â The best current alternative is the compact fluorescent (CFL). Â These work well, and use about 1/4 the energy of an incandescent. Â The problem is that they have toxic mercury. Â If you break one, you have to take special steps to avoid exposure to mercury or mercury vapor.<br>
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You can find info here:<br>
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<a href="http://www2.epa.gov/cfl" target="_blank">http://www2.epa.gov/cfl</a><br>
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I had the (not) fun of experiencing the cleanup procedure the other day. Â I dropped one of these and it shattered. Â I put on vinyl gloves and removed every fragment I could find. Â I then wiped the carpet with a damp paper towel. Â I then vacuumed, even though the epa would rather you not, since almost all the residue was gone and I knew there were shards of glass in the carpet. Â I then threw the vacuum bag away (it needed it anyway). Â Finally, I ran the whole house attic fan to ventilate the house for 1/2 hour. Â They recommend venting for several hours if practical. Â What a pain.<br>
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There are no really good alternatives. Â However, LED light bulbs are starting to become affordable. Â I saw an ad from newegg that said they have 30W equivalent bulbs in a 6 pack for about $ 5 ea. Â Also, I was surprised to find that there are some interesting alternatives now appearing at home depot and lowes. Â Home depot has two products from CREE. Â One is a 40W equivalent bulb for $ 10 and a 60W equivalent for $ 15. Â I'm waiting for affordable 100 W equivalents, but they're still about $ 45. Â So, we're getting there. Â I moved to all CFL a couple of years ago. Â I'm not quite ready to jump to LED yet, but maybe the prices will keep dropping.<br>
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If you decide to buy some of these, there are at least three things you need to consider other than cost. Â First is size. Â Some of these are longer and / or wider than standard bulbs. Â Second, are they omnidirectional and do they cast shadows? Â Some bulbs have part of the bulb structure obscuring the bulb and would cast shadows in certain areas. Â Third, are they dimmable? Â Dimmability is a big advantage that incandescents have that most fluorescents don't. Â Some of the new LED's are dimmable. Â But, look at the specs. Â Some of them require new advanced dimmers. Â The CREE ones I mentioned, however, are dimmable with conventional old style dimmers.<br>
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Also, the manufacturers like to play games with longevity ratings. Â One will say 10 years, another 20 years, etc. Â This is useless. Â You have to find how many hours per day they're figuring. Â Usually, it's 3, sometimes 6, etc. Â The Philips CFL's I just bought are rated at 11 years, at 3 hr / day. Â (The bulbs in my living room and work area run much more than 3 hr / day.) Â If you do the math, that works out to 12,000 hours. Â The cheaper CFL's may be rated only for 8,000 or 10,000 hours. Â A LED should last 20,000 hours or more. Â There are 8760 hours / year, so if you're running a bulb 12 - 24 hours / day, expect lots fewer days out of it.<br>
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Home depot will recycle CFL's for you. Â Lowes might but I don't know. Â I don't know of any easy way to recycle bigger circular or straight fluorescent tubes. Â I wish I did, as there are a few fixtures in my house that use these.<br>
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Has anyone else had experience with the new LED bulbs?<br>
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Sincerely,<br>
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