<div dir="ltr"><div><div><div><div><div>Some answers, as best I can say, just now.<br><br>-- I am pleased to see there is so much interest in this idea. I also see it as a professional, rather than enthusiast group, with a wider interest-base than strictly Linux. <br>
<br>-- We are working on getting a lopsa-ATL listserv going - This will simplify the contact loop (one hopes). <br><br>-- The google-hangout thing would maybe be a good option for people who have trouble getting around in ATL traffic, or are a couple of states away, however we are planning to have a physical location where members and non-members can meet. More on the location as soon as there is anything to report.<br>
</div><br>-- We are planning to have a meeting on the 26th of July, which I have mentioned to some but not all. This coincides with Sys-Admin Appreciation day.<br></div><br>-- Local-ATL, like the national org, is not averse to people who are not LOPSA-members coming to the meetings. If the $50 dues is too much, there is also a student rate at 1/2 that.<br>
</div><br>-- So far as I have seen, there is no local-sig extra dues expected.<br><br></div><br></div><div><div><br></div></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br clear="all"><div><div dir="ltr">Wolf Halton<br><br>--<br>This Apt Has Super Cow Powers - <a href="http://sourcefreedom.com" target="_blank">http://sourcefreedom.com</a><br>
Security in the Cloud - <a href="http://atlantaCloudTech.com" target="_blank">http://AtlantaCloudTech.com</a><br>Apache Developer <a href="mailto:wolfhalton@apache.org" target="_blank">wolfhalton@apache.org</a><br></div></div>
<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Jun 27, 2013 at 4:06 PM, Jim Kinney <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:jim.kinney@gmail.com" target="_blank">jim.kinney@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div dir="ltr"><div>I would view LOPSA not as an employment tool to impress hiring but as an employment tool to survive post-hiring.<br><br></div>ALE has loads of people that do huge-scale things (there are googlers - current and ex - on the list) but yes, much of the active crowd is more enthusiast level. Thus the name :-)<br>
</div><div class="HOEnZb"><div class="h5"><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Jun 27, 2013 at 3:58 PM, Lightner, Jeff <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:JLightner@water.com" target="_blank">JLightner@water.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">I’d argue that AUUG is unlike ALE in that most of the people in AUUG ARE (or have been) professional System Administrators. ALE seems to have quite a few
hobbyists or folks that use Linux for small things but not for Enterprise and general business purposes. Questions about enterprise/professional Linux configurations often go unanswered here whereas questions about the latest GUI for Ubuntu will fill volumes.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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On the other hand many of the discussions at AUUG are actually about Linux but aimed more at its use in business.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">The question is what does “professional” membership get you. I doubt employers care about it as much as they do about “professional” certifications and even
the latter in my experience are viewed more as “nice to have” than “must have” for “professional” System Administrators.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> <a href="mailto:ale-bounces@ale.org" target="_blank">ale-bounces@ale.org</a> [mailto:<a href="mailto:ale-bounces@ale.org" target="_blank">ale-bounces@ale.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Jim Kinney<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, June 27, 2013 11:31 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Atlanta Linux Enthusiasts</span></p><div><div><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [ale] [OffTopic] LOPSA Atlanta Chapter<u></u><u></u></div></div><p></p><div><div>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">AUUG is a users group more like ALE. LOPSA is a professional organization unlike ALE.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I pay to stay affiliated with APS, IEEE, and other professional organizations. I used to do the pro stuff through USENIX a long time ago with SAGE.
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Thu, Jun 27, 2013 at 11:19 AM, Lightner, Jeff <<a href="mailto:JLightner@water.com" target="_blank">JLightner@water.com</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Of course there are dues as shown on this page:</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><a href="https://lopsa.org/about_membership" target="_blank"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">https://lopsa.org/about_membership</span></a><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"> </span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Question is how many are still “interested” if they have to pay $50/year especially given AUUG is
free?</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">
</span><a href="mailto:ale-bounces@ale.org" target="_blank"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">ale-bounces@ale.org</span></a><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> [mailto:</span><a href="mailto:ale-bounces@ale.org" target="_blank"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">ale-bounces@ale.org</span></a><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Jim Kinney<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, June 27, 2013 10:07 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Atlanta User Group (E-mail)</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<b>Subject:</b> Re: [ale] [OffTopic] LOPSA Atlanta Chapter<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p>Ditto.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Jun 27, 2013 9:16 AM, "Emily Hansen" <<a href="mailto:ciani@panix.com" target="_blank">ciani@panix.com</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">definitely interested.<br>
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Emily<br>
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On Wed, Jun 26, 2013 at 12:58:04PM -0400, Sam Davis wrote:<br>
> I also am interested.<br>
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> Sam Davis<br>
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> On 06/26/2013 12:54 PM, Katherine Villyard wrote:<br>
> >Sounds good. I'm definitely interested.<br>
> ><br>
> >Katherine<br>
> ><br>
> >"Be soft. Do not let the world make you hard. Do not let the pain<br>
> >make you hate. Do not let the bitterness steal your sweetness. Take<br>
> >pride that even though the rest of the world may disagree, you still<br>
> >believe it to be a beautiful place."<br>
> >--Kurt Vonnegut<br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> >On Wed, Jun 26, 2013 at 6:22 AM, Wolf Halton <<a href="mailto:wolf.halton@gmail.com" target="_blank">wolf.halton@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
> >>If you are interested in being a charter member of the Atlanta Chapter of<br>
> >>the Maurice Pryce and I are starting it - had our first meeting yesterday on<br>
> >>a google hangout. Planning to have an event of some sort on July 26th -<br>
> >>Sys-admin appreciation day.<br>
> >><br>
> >>Wolf Halton<br>
> >><br>
> >>--<br>
> >>This Apt Has Super Cow Powers - <a href="http://sourcefreedom.com" target="_blank">
http://sourcefreedom.com</a><br>
> >>Security in the Cloud - <a href="http://AtlantaCloudTech.com" target="_blank">
http://AtlantaCloudTech.com</a><br>
> >>Apache Developer <a href="mailto:wolfhalton@apache.org" target="_blank">wolfhalton@apache.org</a><br>
> >><br>
> >><u></u><u></u></p>
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