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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Later versions of Firefox are disabling the Java 1.6 plugin as insecure (at least on Windows). Typically they prompt me to enable it each time I use Java
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> ale-bounces@ale.org [mailto:ale-bounces@ale.org]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Scott Plante<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, June 28, 2013 2:47 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Atlanta Linux Enthusiasts<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [ale] help with java crash<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">For what it's worth, the "Do you have Java" applet at Java.com didn't work with IcedTea at all for me, but our own Java application came up just fine. Also, the Java console never
came up, but I did find stdout and stderr in these files:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Courier New";color:black">~/.icedteaplugin/java.stdout </span><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Courier New";color:black">~/.icedteaplugin/java.stderr</span><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">The expected things appeared in those files when I ran our own Java app. And lots of stuff appeared when I tried to run the Java.com applet, but nothing that explained why it didn't
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">Scott<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span></b><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black">"Scott Plante" <</span><a href="mailto:splante@insightsys.com"><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"">splante@insightsys.com</span></a><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black">><br>
<b>To: </b>"Atlanta Linux Enthusiasts" <</span><a href="mailto:ale@ale.org"><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"">ale@ale.org</span></a><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black">><br>
<b>Sent: </b>Friday, June 28, 2013 2:01:14 PM<br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: [ale] help with java crash<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">You should find something called the "IceTea-web Control Panel" on your menu. Then click "Debugging" on the left and Enable logging and Java Console: Show on startup. At least,
that's what I have on OpenSUSE 12.3 with OpenJDK 7.0.21. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">When your Java applet begins, a separate window should then appear with log messages. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">I haven't had that much luck with the OpenJDK implementation on Linux and have been using the Oracle JVM, but I haven't tried it for a year or so, so perhaps it's pretty much caught
up now. As I just did a new install, I haven't gotten switched over from the IcedTea version yet on this box. Is this a private web app or public? Applet or JNLP? Firefox or Chrome?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black">From:
</span></b><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black">"Ron Frazier (ALE)" <</span><a href="mailto:atllinuxenthinfo@techstarship.com"><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"">atllinuxenthinfo@techstarship.com</span></a><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black">><br>
<b>To: </b>"Atlanta Linux Enthusiasts" <</span><a href="mailto:ale@ale.org"><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"">ale@ale.org</span></a><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black">><br>
<b>Sent: </b>Friday, June 28, 2013 1:03:59 PM<br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: [ale] help with java crash<br>
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Hi James,<br>
<br>
I see your point. However, there is no error that appears on the screen. The tab holding java.com just locks up, and the whole browser becomes unresponsive to the point of being unusable. If there's a log file that's relevant, I would need to know where
to find it and what to look for.<br>
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Sincerely,<br>
<br>
Ron<br>
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<br>
James Sumners <</span><a href="mailto:james.sumners@gmail.com"><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"">james.sumners@gmail.com</span></a><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black">> wrote:<br>
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>Asking for help with "why" any program would crash in any way without<br>
>providing at least an error message, if not a crash log, is a<br>
>completely pointless endeavor. There's nothing we can do to help.<br>
><br>
>On Fri, Jun 28, 2013 at 12:02 PM, Ron Frazier (ALE)<br>
><</span><a href="mailto:atllinuxenthinfo@techstarship.com"><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"">atllinuxenthinfo@techstarship.com</span></a><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black">> wrote:<br>
>> Hi all,<br>
>><br>
>> I've been trying to avoid using java since all these problems have<br>
>been<br>
>> happening with security. I've actually uninstalled it on all my<br>
>Windows<br>
>> machines. However, there are a few web apps which require it.<br>
>><br>
>> I was running a mint 13 vm in virtualbox. It has the default java<br>
>system,<br>
>> which I believe is openjdk 6. I go to java.com, click do I have<br>
>java?, then<br>
>> verify java version. It crashes and locks up not only the tab in<br>
>firefox<br>
>> but essentially the whole browser. It also locks up when I try to<br>
>access<br>
>> the web app I'm wanting to use. Anybody know why it would do that? <br>
>Is<br>
>> there any alternative other than installing Oracle Java?<br>
>><br>
>> Sincerely,<br>
>><br>
>> Ron<br>
><br>
><br>
>-- <br>
>James Sumners<br>
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><br>
>"All governments suffer a recurring problem: Power attracts<br>
>pathological personalities. It is not that power corrupts but that it<br>
>is magnetic to the corruptible. Such people have a tendency to become<br>
>drunk on violence, a condition to which they are quickly addicted."<br>
><br>
>Missionaria Protectiva, Text QIV (decto)<br>
>CH:D 59<br>
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Please excuse my potential brevity if I'm typing on the touch screen.<br>
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