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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">I don't think so.&nbsp; No Snowden could
      have made any bosses more likely to actually read my emails.<br>
      <br>
      On 6/27/13 12:21 PM, Jim Kinney wrote:<br>
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      <div dir="ltr">Maybe LOPSA could leverage Snowden into some real
        respect from the PHB crowd.<br>
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        <div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Jun 27, 2013 at 12:07 PM, Jim
          Kinney <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a moz-do-not-send="true"
              href="mailto:jim.kinney@gmail.com" target="_blank">jim.kinney@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span>
          wrote:<br>
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              <div>Hmm. LOPSAPAC. Has a nice ring to it.<br>
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              congresscritter == PHB with fewer tech skills.<br>
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                  <div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Jun 27, 2013 at 11:42
                    AM, Jerald Sheets <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a
                        moz-do-not-send="true"
                        href="mailto:questy@gmail.com" target="_blank">questy@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span>
                    wrote:<br>
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                      <div dir="ltr">Already a LOPSA member here, so....
                        &nbsp;Yeah.
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                        <div>Went to the LISA conference in San Diego
                          this year and had a blast.</div>
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                        <div>Great org, great people. &nbsp;Trying to figure
                          out on the IRC/Mailing List lately whether the
                          blast radius from Snowden will affect the
                          Sysadmin community when the clueless
                          congresscritters get their hands on it in the
                          future, and whether we need a PAC armed and
                          ready to go when that happens.</div>
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                        <div>Good times.</div>
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                          <div>---<br>
                            Jerald M. Sheets jr.<br>
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                            <div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Jun 27,
                              2013 at 11:31 AM, Jim Kinney <span
                                dir="ltr">&lt;<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                                  href="mailto:jim.kinney@gmail.com"
                                  target="_blank">jim.kinney@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span>
                              wrote:<br>
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                                  <div>AUUG is a users group more like
                                    ALE. LOPSA is a professional
                                    organization unlike ALE.<br>
                                    <br>
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                                  I pay to stay affiliated with APS,
                                  IEEE, and other professional
                                  organizations. I used to do the pro
                                  stuff through USENIX a long time ago
                                  with SAGE. <br>
                                </div>
                                <div class="gmail_extra"><br>
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                                    <div>On Thu, Jun 27, 2013 at 11:19
                                      AM, Lightner, Jeff <span
                                        dir="ltr">&lt;<a
                                          moz-do-not-send="true"
                                          href="mailto:JLightner@water.com"
                                          target="_blank">JLightner@water.com</a>&gt;</span>
                                      wrote:<br>
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                                              <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d">Of
                                                  course there are dues
                                                  as shown on this page:</span></p>
                                              <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d"><a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="https://lopsa.org/about_membership"
                                                    target="_blank">https://lopsa.org/about_membership</a></span></p>
                                              <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d">&nbsp;</span></p>
                                              <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d">Question
                                                  is how many are still
                                                  &#8220;interested&#8221; if they
                                                  have to pay $50/year
                                                  especially given AUUG
                                                  is free?</span></p>
                                              <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d">&nbsp;</span></p>
                                              <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">
                                                  <a
                                                    moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:ale-bounces@ale.org" target="_blank">ale-bounces@ale.org</a>
                                                  [mailto:<a
                                                    moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:ale-bounces@ale.org" target="_blank">ale-bounces@ale.org</a>]
                                                  <b>On Behalf Of </b>Jim
                                                  Kinney<br>
                                                  <b>Sent:</b> Thursday,
                                                  June 27, 2013 10:07 AM<br>
                                                  <b>To:</b> Atlanta
                                                  User Group (E-mail)</span></p>
                                              <div><br>
                                                <b>Subject:</b> Re:
                                                [ale] [OffTopic] LOPSA
                                                Atlanta Chapter</div>
                                              <p class="MsoNormal">&nbsp;</p>
                                              <p>Ditto.</p>
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                                                    <p class="MsoNormal">On
                                                      Jun 27, 2013 9:16
                                                      AM, "Emily Hansen"
                                                      &lt;<a
                                                        moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:ciani@panix.com" target="_blank">ciani@panix.com</a>&gt;
                                                      wrote:</p>
                                                    <p class="MsoNormal">definitely
                                                      interested.<br>
                                                      <br>
                                                      Emily<br>
                                                      <br>
                                                      On Wed, Jun 26,
                                                      2013 at 12:58:04PM
                                                      -0400, Sam Davis
                                                      wrote:<br>
                                                      &gt; I also am
                                                      interested.<br>
                                                      &gt;<br>
                                                      &gt; Sam Davis<br>
                                                      &gt;<br>
                                                      &gt;<br>
                                                      &gt; On 06/26/2013
                                                      12:54 PM,
                                                      Katherine Villyard
                                                      wrote:<br>
                                                      &gt; &gt;Sounds
                                                      good. &nbsp;I'm
                                                      definitely
                                                      interested.<br>
                                                      &gt; &gt;<br>
                                                      &gt; &gt;Katherine<br>
                                                      &gt; &gt;<br>
                                                      &gt; &gt;"Be soft.
                                                      &nbsp;Do not let the
                                                      world make you
                                                      hard. &nbsp;Do not let
                                                      the pain<br>
                                                      &gt; &gt;make you
                                                      hate. &nbsp;Do not let
                                                      the bitterness
                                                      steal your
                                                      sweetness. &nbsp;Take<br>
                                                      &gt; &gt;pride
                                                      that even though
                                                      the rest of the
                                                      world may
                                                      disagree, you
                                                      still<br>
                                                      &gt; &gt;believe
                                                      it to be a
                                                      beautiful place."<br>
                                                      &gt; &gt;--Kurt
                                                      Vonnegut<br>
                                                      &gt; &gt;<br>
                                                      &gt; &gt;<br>
                                                      &gt; &gt;On Wed,
                                                      Jun 26, 2013 at
                                                      6:22 AM, Wolf
                                                      Halton &lt;<a
                                                        moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:wolf.halton@gmail.com" target="_blank">wolf.halton@gmail.com</a>&gt;
                                                      wrote:<br>
                                                      &gt; &gt;&gt;If
                                                      you are interested
                                                      in being a charter
                                                      member of the
                                                      Atlanta Chapter of<br>
                                                      &gt; &gt;&gt;the
                                                      Maurice Pryce and
                                                      I are starting it
                                                      - had our first
                                                      meeting yesterday
                                                      on<br>
                                                      &gt; &gt;&gt;a
                                                      google hangout.
                                                      &nbsp;Planning to have
                                                      an event of some
                                                      sort on July 26th
                                                      -<br>
                                                      &gt;
                                                      &gt;&gt;Sys-admin
                                                      appreciation day.<br>
                                                      &gt; &gt;&gt;<br>
                                                      &gt; &gt;&gt;Wolf
                                                      Halton<br>
                                                      &gt; &gt;&gt;<br>
                                                      &gt; &gt;&gt;--<br>
                                                      &gt; &gt;&gt;This
                                                      Apt Has Super Cow
                                                      Powers - <a
                                                        moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://sourcefreedom.com" target="_blank">
http://sourcefreedom.com</a><br>
                                                      &gt;
                                                      &gt;&gt;Security
                                                      in the Cloud - <a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://AtlantaCloudTech.com"
                                                        target="_blank">
http://AtlantaCloudTech.com</a><br>
                                                      &gt;
                                                      &gt;&gt;Apache
                                                      Developer <a
                                                        moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:wolfhalton@apache.org" target="_blank">wolfhalton@apache.org</a><br>
                                                      &gt; &gt;&gt;<br>
                                                      &gt; &gt;&gt;</p>
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                                                <p>&nbsp;</p>
                                                <p>&nbsp;</p>
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                                                      &gt;
                                                      _______________________________________________<br>
                                                      &gt; Ale mailing
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                                            <p><font face="Arial"><font
                                                  color="fuchsia"><font
style="FONT-FAMILY:Arial;FONT-SIZE:10pt">Athena<font size="1">&reg;</font>,
                                                    Created for the
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                                                    size="1">&#8482;
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                                              <p><font face="Arial">Making
                                                  a Difference in the
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                                              <p>&nbsp;</p>
                                              <p>&nbsp;</p>
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                                                    and Why I Should
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                                    -- <br>
                                    -- <br>
                                    James P. Kinney III<br>
                                    <i><i><i><i><br>
                                          </i></i></i>Every time you
                                      stop a school, you will have to
                                      build a jail. What you gain at one
                                      end you lose at the other. It's
                                      like feeding a dog on his own
                                      tail. It won't fatten the dog.<br>
                                      - Speech 11/23/1900 Mark Twain<br>
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        other. It's like feeding a dog on his own tail. It won't fatten
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