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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Meh. Admins rotate in and out so much
these days and documenting things is so unheard of...don't get me
started. Suffice it to say that no one will curse your name
because no one will remember it. :)<br>
<br>
A few years ago I was trying to address a very unhealthy
Tomcat-behind-Apache platform that was using some very old version
of Tomcat that was so unstable that it was end-of-lifed and a
whole new branch of the tree emerged with a "there be dragons"
sign left at the old. :)<br>
<br>
The Apache people, over and over again, would say DON'T use your
distro's package manager...just DON'T!!! And sure enough, on RH
and -alikes, I could see why at the time. Whoever managed the
Gentoo ebuild was very meticulous and it *would* work perfectly,
but you could see that a "Tomcat way" and a "Gentoo way" of doing
and placing things was being very carefully reconciled. Just the
same, if you eschewed the Tomcat ebuild under Gentoo and just took
the Tomcat distribution as the Apache people intended, there
wasn't any interference and it would work just fine also, provided
you'd laid in the dependencies by hand via Portage. <br>
<br>
On 6/4/13 8:40 PM, Jim Kinney wrote:<br>
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<p dir="ltr">+1e^infinity<br>
KISS principle keeps later admins from putting a price on your
head.</p>
<div class="gmail_quote">On Jun 4, 2013 8:21 PM, "Scott McBrien"
<<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:smcbrien@gmail.com">smcbrien@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:<br type="attribution">
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<div>I would attempt to dissuade you from using a delta rpm.
With deltas, you end up being really really concerned
with versions. So after your first delta gets applied, if
you have another update, you make a delta of the delta,
which means if there's a machine with the vanilla rpm out
there and you apply delta2 on it, things devolve into
madness quite quickly. Does a regular RPM contain more
stuff and take up more space? Sure. But if an RPM is
10MB or 100MB, who really cares. The simpler you keep
your packages, the more independent you keep your packages
the less likely that you get into a situation you can't,
or is extremely difficult, to reverse.</div>
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<div>If you choose to ignore my advice, you should use not
only the package name, but also the version in your
Requires for your drpm, that should keep you from applying
a drpm to a box that is not at the appropriate version to
accept the delta successfully.</div>
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<div>But seriously, keep it simple, it will improve your
life in the long run, and admins who follow you will
praise your good works rather than spitting and cursing at
the mention of your name.</div>
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</div>
<div>-Scott</div>
<div><br>
On Jun 4, 2013, at 7:23 PM, "Narahari 'n' Savitha" <<a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:savithari@gmail.com"
target="_blank">savithari@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">I built my vanilla Tomcat rpm and the
%install section has
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<div>mkdir -p $RPM_BUILD_ROOT/opt/</div>
<div>cp -R
/home/virtual/rpmbuild/BUILD/apache-tomcat-7.0.37
$RPM_BUILD_ROOT/opt</div>
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<div><br>
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<div>I also built the delta.rpm and I am in the
process of tinkering the %install section for that.</div>
<div>What I would like to do is</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>a. check if apache-tomcat-7.0.37-vanilla is
installed (this I can do in the Requires section of
the preamble, I presume the name is the name of the
rpm package)</div>
<div>b. enquire the rpm tool as to where the package
apache-tomcat-7.0.37-vanilla is installed ? not sure
how to do this.</div>
<div>c. cd to the location
the apache-tomcat-7.0.37-vanilla is installed and
backup a few files.</div>
<div>d. then do a cp -r from the BUILD folder to the
target folder.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Where should I put the code for all this ? I
presume the %install section ?</div>
<div>What all heavy lifting can I or should I do in
the %install section and is using macros a
requirement or a good thing to do kind of a thing ?</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Kindly help.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>-Narahari</div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Jun 3, 2013 at 3:31
PM, Scott Plante <span dir="ltr"><<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:splante@insightsys.com"
target="_blank">splante@insightsys.com</a>></span>
wrote:<br>
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<div>"<span
style="font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif">Also,
tomcat is not really built as in gcc or cc
or whatever aka no make or configure."</span>
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<div>Mostly true, however there is an optional
native part, found in the
"[tomcat-root]/bin/commons-daemon-native.tar.gz"
file. If you're creating a Tomcat binary RPM
it would be a good idea to compile this, as
it allows you to have Tomcat listen on port
80/443 (or a port <1024) directly without
running Tomcat as root. You don't need this
if you're running Tomcat behind Apache HTTP,
but for example WebRTC won't work proxying
through ajp.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Scott<br>
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<div
style="font-size:12pt;font-style:normal;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;text-decoration:none;font-weight:normal"><b>From:
</b>"Narahari 'n' Savitha" <<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:savithari@gmail.com"
target="_blank">savithari@gmail.com</a>><br>
<b>To: </b>"Atlanta Linux Enthusiasts -
Yes! We run Linux!" <<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:ale@ale.org"
target="_blank">ale@ale.org</a>><br>
<b>Sent: </b>Sunday, June 2, 2013
10:02:11 PM<br>
<b>Subject: </b>[ale] rpm's src vs binary
and the confusion
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<div>Friends:<br>
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I am building an rpm
for Apache Tomcat
version 7.0.37.<br>
<br>
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Sorry to ask a lame
question but what is
the diff between src
rpm and regular rpm ?<br>
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(dont flame, I know I
have read it but it
confuses me when I am
building)<br>
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Also, tomcat is not really
built as in gcc or cc or
whatever aka no make or
configure.<br>
<br>
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So in the install section
what should I be really
doing ?<br>
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Spec file is here.<br>
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<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://pastebin.com/f6P64tSQ"
target="_blank">http://pastebin.com/f6P64tSQ</a><br>
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Also, if I have a custom name
for the rpm I am building, what
macros or env variables are
available in the %install
section ?<br>
<br>
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Regards,<br>
</div>
-Narahari<br>
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