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Doug,<br>
<br>
Glad to help.<br>
<br>
PS I think it was JD that mentioned addonics.<br>
<br>
Ron<br>
<br>
On 5/11/2013 3:36 PM, Doug Hall wrote:
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<div dir="ltr">Thanks for the advice, Ron. At home, I've been using
CrashPlan, which allows you to seed a backup and take it to a friend's
house (or the office, if allowed), for free offsite backups. A friend
of mine, who lives about twenty miles away, swapped drives with me. (I
wouldn't choose a nearby neighbor, in case a tornado happens to cross
both houses.) This has the huge advantage of being much faster to
restore, if you need it. Because, you can simply retrieve your drive
from your friend/office, and take it home for restores. <<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.crashplan.com/consumer/crashplan.html">http://www.crashplan.com/consumer/crashplan.html</a>>
Also, the backups are encrypted from the source - which means your
friend can't snoop, even if they wanted to. The one disadvantage of the
free version is that it's a once-a-day thing. If you want it to happen
more often, you have to get CrashPlan+.
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<div style="">I've been looking at some of your links. The Addonics
stuff, like this one:</div>
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href="http://www.addonics.com/products/na3ms4hu2.php">http://www.addonics.com/products/na3ms4hu2.php</a>></div>
<div style="">appears to simply be an external array - meaning I
still need a separate computer to run FreeNas. Not what I want. I guess
I'll need to just buy or build a tower computer and do it myself. :-( I
was hoping to find a fairly small (mini-tower) enclosure which was
specifically designed for NAS devices, with energy-saving power systems
and on-board processing and memory cards. Some of the proprietary NAS
devices have easy-access to the drive bays, and external lights which
indicate whether or not there's a problem with the individual drives.</div>
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<div style="">The AcmeMicro stuff does, for the most part, appear to
be overkill. Since this will be in a home, I really don't want a
rack-based system. A tower would be better, but I can't seem to find
the right combination of features and size.</div>
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<div style="">Thanks, and keep me posted if I missed something.</div>
<div style=""><br>
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<div style="">Doug</div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, May 11, 2013 at 1:15 PM, Ron Frazier
(ALE) <span dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:atllinuxenthinfo@techstarship.com" target="_blank">atllinuxenthinfo@techstarship.com</a>></span>
wrote:<br>
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style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">Hi
Doug,<br>
<br>
I had one more thought. Backup the nas online with something like
carbonite or Amazon S3 via a Jungledisk client or similar. I use
Jungledisk on both Windows and Linux machines. The client software is
a little dated, but it works fine for me. It uses the Amazon S3
servers. I have my data backups run every 6 hours. If anyone needs
help configuring that, I could assist. Amazon charges $0.18 / GB / mo
for storage. That could get cost prohibitive depending on the amount
of data. Carbonite's normal marketing says all your DATA on your
personal hard drive, so system files, etc. don't get backed up. I
think they require a different contract for each PC at $ 60 / year or
so. Whereas, I backup all my pc's to my Amazon S3 volume and just pay
for the total data storage. I think I have about 70 GB of storage in
use, so my bill is about $ 14 / mo. If you're talking TB of data, cost
would go up a good bit.<br>
<br>
Another alternative is to do peer to peer syncing with the nas to
another nas. A very early but promising (alpha stage) solution is
BitTorrent Sync. If you can provide peers you want to sync with and
you don't need cloud storage, this could work. Steve Gibson did a
podcast on this recently. I haven't tried it but it sounds cool.<br>
<br>
<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://twit.tv/sn/402"
target="_blank">http://twit.tv/sn/402</a><br>
<br>
Low bandwidth versions are available here. Look for episode 402.<br>
<br>
<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="https://www.grc.com/securitynow.htm"
target="_blank">https://www.grc.com/securitynow.htm</a><br>
<br>
Experts that Steve likes to quote on the show recommend a 3-2-1 backup
strategy. If I'm remembering correctly, you data should exist in 3
places - original, backup 1, backup 2. It should be on 2 different
mediums preferably. And 1 copy should be off site.<br>
<br>
By the way, DROBO appears to be a nice, but not cheap plug and play NAS
solution.<br>
<br>
Hope this helps.<br>
<br>
Sincerely,<br>
<br>
Ron<br>
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<div class="h5"><br>
<br>
<br>
Doug Hall <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:doughalldev@gmail.com">doughalldev@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:<br>
<br>
>This is a pro-sumer application. She has written a book, and has a
blog<br>
>for<br>
>promoting that and other pursuits. She's got thousands of high res<br>
>photos,<br>
>and is getting into video too, for her blog. Add to this, backup
space<br>
>for<br>
>her computers - some of which can be alleviated, if she's not moving<br>
>files<br>
>between computers all the time. So, she does need a fair amount of<br>
>storage. Their Apple Time Capsule is full, and quite frankly -<br>
>inadequate.<br>
><br>
>This NAS won't be directly connected to a computer, but I was
thinking<br>
>that<br>
>it would be a good idea to have that option. They've got an iMac
and a<br>
>MacBook Pro, so Firewire or Thunderbolt would actually be better
than<br>
>eSata. The NAS will probably be situated in a closet, provided
there's<br>
>enough ventilation. I was hoping to use FreeNAS and ZFS, for
worry-free<br>
>storage.<br>
><br>
>While I'm thinking about it, how are upgrades handled? Is it a
matter<br>
>of<br>
>pulling in updates, like with Ubuntu, or do you download a package
and<br>
>replace the whole OS? I'm not that familiar with FreeBSD. Is there a<br>
>learning curve I should be concerned about?<br>
><br>
>Thanks guys!<br>
><br>
><br>
>On Sat, May 11, 2013 at 9:55 AM, Ron Frazier (ALE) <<br>
><a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:atllinuxenthinfo@techstarship.com">atllinuxenthinfo@techstarship.com</a>>
wrote:<br>
><br>
>> Hi all,<br>
>><br>
>> This sounds like a consumer application so the following
security<br>
>issues<br>
>> may not be too pressing. However, depending on the situation,<br>
>physical<br>
>> security may be an issue; from kids (ie teenagers that want to
play<br>
>> everything or toddlers that want to touch everything), pets,<br>
>visitors,<br>
>> contractors, etc.<br>
>><br>
>> You may want a case where access to the physical ports and
drives is<br>
>> lockable. A closet or cabinet would also work with proper<br>
>ventilation.<br>
>><br>
>> Also, while I haven't had experience with the high speed port
options<br>
>> myself, I heard an interesting tidbit on the Security Now
podcast.<br>
>> Apparently both firewire and thunderbolt are dma access
systems.<br>
>That<br>
>> means that anything plugged into one of those ports may be
able to<br>
>directly<br>
>> access and alter system memory, with the potential of inserting<br>
>malware or<br>
>> reading critical data. USB of any type does not have that
problem.<br>
>I<br>
>> don't know about sata / esata.<br>
>><br>
>> Also, I've heard that esata connectors are notorious for being<br>
>finicky and<br>
>> getting unplugged.<br>
>><br>
>> Just thought I'd throw in my 2 cents.<br>
>><br>
>> Sincerely,<br>
>><br>
>> Ron<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> JD <<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:jdp@algoloma.com">jdp@algoloma.com</a>>
wrote:<br>
>><br>
>> >I use an external array from these guys: <a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://www.addonics.com/" target="_blank">http://www.addonics.com/</a><br>
>> >attached to a normal Core i5 PC, but mine is only 4 bay.
6+ yrs,<br>
>ever<br>
>> >any issues<br>
>> >besides a loose SATA cable that was my fault.<br>
>> ><br>
>> >I'd avoid USB3 as the primary connector. IME, it has
queuing issues.<br>
>Of<br>
>> >course,<br>
>> >those could be due to the USB3 card or driver used. I've
never had<br>
>that<br>
>> >issue<br>
>> >with eSATA-MP.<br>
>> ><br>
>> >For a business, things get harder due to all the choices.<br>
>> ><br>
>> ><br>
>> >On 05/11/2013 01:50 AM, Doug Hall wrote:<br>
>> >> I want to build a NAS for a friend. I need a five-bay
enclosure.<br>
>It<br>
>> >must have a<br>
>> >> 64-bit CPU and allow me to add up to 16GB of memory.
It'll be<br>
>using<br>
>> >ZFS, which<br>
>> >> performs better with lots of memory. I'll probably
need USB3,<br>
>eSata<br>
>> >and dual<br>
>> >> ethernet ports. A low power unit would be nice.<br>
>> >><br>
>> >> Anyone know of and can recommend any such enclosures?
The ones I'm<br>
>> >seeing appear<br>
>> >> to already be set up to run some proprietary system,
but don't<br>
>even<br>
>> >mention<br>
>> >> memory capacities or CPU specs. I want to use
FreeNAS, of course.<br>
>> >Thanks for any<br>
>> >> suggestions.<br>
<br>
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