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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"; color:#1F497D">Is that not normal? We need super redundant, ultra highly available, DR and you can use any 4 of these 5 year old machines to make it happen and meet our
data storage needs!</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt; font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt; font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> ale-bounces@ale.org [mailto:ale-bounces@ale.org]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Jim Kinney<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, April 19, 2013 12:29 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Atlanta Linux Enthusiasts<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [ale] ZFS on Linux</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">given what the drive arrays are used for, dedup is a big plus (people make copies and copies of research files like drive space is $0!). And, yeah, even with no dedup, 32G is not going to cut it anyway.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">The checksums for RAID6 are the same as in raidz2.
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">I found a 250G SSD but can't use it. I have one other system I can put it on but it has not enough PCIe slots for the need.
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<p class="MsoNormal">the solution to all of this is $$$$$ for new system :-(</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Fri, Apr 19, 2013 at 11:58 AM, Derek Atkins <<a href="mailto:warlord@mit.edu" target="_blank">warlord@mit.edu</a>> wrote:</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Jim,</p>
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Jim Kinney <<a href="mailto:jim.kinney@gmail.com">jim.kinney@gmail.com</a>> writes:<br>
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> After much research, I have decided to NOT implement ZFS. The main factors of<br>
> interest were the raidz2 and data deduplication. In order to support the<br>
> deduplication,the server needs 5G RAM per 1TB storage. That's a deal breaker<br>
> right there as the system to be used will only support 32G and has 50TB.<br>
> Raidz2 is basically software RAID6 which I can already do.<br>
><br>
> Looked at getting an SSD for the deduplication data and using l2arc but I have<br>
> no space to install it on that server. Grr.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Do you really feel you need ZFS deduplication? According to<br>
<a href="http://doc.freenas.org/index.php/Hardware_Recommendations" target="_blank">http://doc.freenas.org/index.php/Hardware_Recommendations</a> you only need<br>
5GB/TB if you're using dedup. If you're just using ZFS then they<br>
recommend 1GB/TB. Granted, if you've got 50TB of data then a 32GB<br>
memory limit wont be useful to you.<br>
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However, thank you for making me look at that; I was considering a<br>
32GB-limit Mobo for my system, which I was expecting to start at 12TB<br>
usable but potentially expanding to 96TB. I don't think a 96TB ZFS<br>
would work well with 32GB memory.<br>
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OTOH, is ZFS really only just "RAID6"? I thought that the ZFS checksums<br>
would provide improved data integrity (scrubbing) over pure RAID6?<br>
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<span class="hoenzb">-derek</span></span></p>
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> On Fri, Mar 29, 2013 at 3:10 PM, Ed Cashin <<a href="mailto:ecashin@noserose.net">ecashin@noserose.net</a>> wrote:<br>
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> Thanks in advance for the notes you take. I'm interested to hear what you<br>
> find.<br>
><br>
> By the way, work sent me to a Nexenta course in 2010 where I learned ZFS<br>
> stuff from Richard Elling:<br>
><br>
> <a href="http://www.richardelling.com/" target="_blank">http://www.richardelling.com/</a><br>
><br>
> ... and one thing that kept coming up is how users usually reach for the<br>
> RAID-Z options when stripes of mirrors would perform better and offer more<br>
> flexibility. I thought that was notable.<br>
><br>
> On Fri, Mar 29, 2013 at 2:44 PM, Jim Kinney <<a href="mailto:jim.kinney@gmail.com">jim.kinney@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
><br>
> There was an update to this that just hit /.<br>
><br>
> WooHoo!<br>
><br>
> I have not used ZFS (minimal solaris experience) before but I have a<br>
> situation where raidz looks like a very good choice. An external 16<br>
> bay JBOD box hanging off a SAS HBA looks like a prime candidate. The<br>
> big issue for me is the support for native NFSv4 ACLs which solves<br>
> some issues.<br>
><br>
> As I go through this exercise, I'll keep some notes and maybe look at<br>
> a presentation on doing this.<br>
><br>
> hints, gotcha's, are very welcome.<br>
><br>
> I did find a pdf of the zfsadmin.pdf <a href="http://pdfhome.org/zfsadmin.pdf" target="_blank">
http://pdfhome.org/zfsadmin.pdf</a><br>
><br>
> --<br>
> --<br>
> James P. Kinney III<br>
><br>
> Every time you stop a school, you will have to build a jail. What you<br>
> gain at one end you lose at the other. It's like feeding a dog on his<br>
> own tail. It won't fatten the dog.<br>
> - Speech 11/23/1900 Mark Twain<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"> Derek Atkins, SB '93 MIT EE, SM '95 MIT Media Laboratory<br>
Member, MIT Student Information Processing Board (SIPB)<br>
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