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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 03/06/2013 04:44 PM, Jim Kinney
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<p dir="ltr">I see the idea behind the certification, but in
practice that seems mostly useful to employers when hiring
individuals with little on their resume. </p>
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This is different than a certification because there would be
design/development standards required that are vendor independent. <br>
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<div>It's not for employers. It's for lawyers and judges to use
as a bludgeon to make companies use good practices is coding
for public consumption. If company FOO is in software
development, and they provide code for banking, they MUST have
a certified banking code engineer on staff and sign off on the
code or else that code is not legal to use for banking. Or
they can pay a banking code engineering firm to evaluate their
code and sign off if it suits the engineers standards.<br>
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If mom-n-pop company hires a developer to put up a web site,
they don't need a certified engineer to approve anything UNTIL
they add something like shopping site with credit card stuff.
If their website gets defaced because they hired an idiot,
that's their problem. If their website gets hacked and credit
card data is stolen, then it's a criminal offense on them for
deploying code that was not approved by a professional
engineer. I see drop-in certified modules for various
platforms to do this. <br>
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This would help PHB inline; just tell them they will have an all
expense paid multi-year vacation in the prison system.<br>
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I can't build a bridge for public use until I am a certified,
tested and passed Professional Engineer. As a PE, it's MY name
on the line for the stuff I sign off on. So a PE won't approve
crap. Is it a perfect system? Nope. But it keeps slick talking
idiots from building bridges and practicing law and medicine.<br>
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Legally, there are slick idiots who manage to fool people from time
to time.<br>
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A person who passes a PE exam doesn't need much else on their
resume. It's not possible to pass without mountains of
knowledge and/or experience. There is already a Professional
Software Engineer license process. What is needed is to add
HIPPA and Banking modules (or more generically - data
security) and then require that places that use software in
these fields have X years to be using certified, compliant
software or they get shut down, fined out the ass or both for
repeated violations. "Market forces" can't fix this crap. It's
like why we all drive on the right hand side of the road.
Someone decided we have to clean up the mess and made it
happen.<br>
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like i need another project....<br>
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Being from another engineering field you need the PE to review and
sign off on the design. Also, for a PE it is a multi-step process
of tests and experience. I believe there is an education requirement
that you must have a physical science or engineering (BS level or
higher) to be allowed to take any exam. You must pass the EIT -
Engineer-in-Training exam for a specific engineering discipline
(Civil, Chemical, Electrical, etc), then you must work in the field
for several years before you can even take the PE exam in the same
field. I believe there are continuing education requirements for a
PE license.<br>
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What I have seen is the PE requires the vendor to submit all
design/load calculations for review with the drawings and
documentation. The PE must approve the submission before you have
permission to proceed; there might be a couple of rounds of
submissions before approval. Competent vendors know what is needed
and often will only have the finalize the details for the
submission.<br>
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