heh, heh. talk about "driverless cars" and "remote, keyless entry".<br><br>Unless the ONLY way to update the firmware is a physical connection that is mechanically locked and two parts (one in the car, one out of the car - think asymmetric encryption in silicon with the master key kept at the owners house) that FAIL written all over it.<br>
<br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Feb 6, 2013 at 10:53 AM, JD <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:jdp@algoloma.com" target="_blank">jdp@algoloma.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
When reading this, my first thought was about how many existing hacks were<br>
against vehicles and how did they plan to patch all vehicles 12 times a year as<br>
new ones were discovered.<br>
<br>
Would patching even help when the protocols are implemented in hardware?<br>
<br>
In 2010, hacks against those tire pressure reporting systems were announced:<br>
<a href="http://arstechnica.com/security/2010/08/cars-hacked-through-wireless-tyre-sensors/" target="_blank">http://arstechnica.com/security/2010/08/cars-hacked-through-wireless-tyre-sensors/</a><br>
"Earlier in the year, researchers from the University of Washington and<br>
University of California San Diego showed that the ECUs could be hacked, giving<br>
attackers the ability to be both annoying, by enabling wipers or honking the<br>
horn, and dangerous, by disabling the brakes or jamming the accelerator."<br>
<br>
I am concerned. Very concerned. Even if they use unique. local-only, wired,<br>
certificate-based encrypted connections, I'm still afraid.<br>
<br>
<br>
On 02/06/2013 10:10 AM, <a href="mailto:alan@alanlee.org">alan@alanlee.org</a> wrote:<br>
><br>
><br>
> Android will be in about 30% of all vehicles sold by auto OEMsby model year 17.<br>
<div class="HOEnZb"><div class="h5">> OpenXC is just the beginning.<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> -Alan<br>
><br>
><br>
> On February 6, 2013 at 9:44 AM "Ron Frazier (ALE)"<br>
> <<a href="mailto:atllinuxenthinfo@techstarship.com">atllinuxenthinfo@techstarship.com</a>> wrote:<br>
><br>
>> This looked cool so I decided to crosspost it.<br>
>><br>
>> Sincerely,<br>
>><br>
>> Ron<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> -------- Original Message --------<br>
>> From: <a href="mailto:jebadiah.moulton@atlanta-robotics.com">jebadiah.moulton@atlanta-robotics.com</a><br>
>> Sent: Wed Feb 06 06:24:34 EST 2013<br>
>> To: AHRC <<a href="mailto:botlanta@yahoogroups.com">botlanta@yahoogroups.com</a>><br>
>> Subject: [AHRC - botlanta] Open source coms to your Ford CAN bus<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> Ford has announced that there CAN network is now open source, well 99%.<br>
>><br>
>> <a href="http://openxcplatform.com/" target="_blank">http://openxcplatform.com/</a><br>
>><br>
>> For those who don't know CAN (Controller Area Network) is how all the sensors<br>
> and electronics are controlled and read in any vehicle.<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> I found out about it from <a href="http://opensourcehardwarejunkies.com/" target="_blank">http://opensourcehardwarejunkies.com/</a><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> This podcast is an interview with the developers of the project at Ford. They<br>
> have designed it so that Android and Arduino people can start writing apps to<br>
> read the CAN network. They said it is open in the sense that it is a read only<br>
> development kit. I wouldn't want to be writing anything to my brake system<br>
> anyway. I feel better about messing with it knowing I can't write anything.<br>
> Imagine your whole cluster of instruments on your android device or your history<br>
> plotted out for any peripheral in your car. This is great for racers.<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> Makes me like Ford more.<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> Here is a book I've been wanting to get on CAN.<br>
>><br>
>><br>
> <a href="http://www.elektor.com/products/books/electronics/en-controller-area-network-projects.1910639.lynkx" target="_blank">http://www.elektor.com/products/books/electronics/en-controller-area-network-projects.1910639.lynkx</a><br>
><br>
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