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Installing a GUI on Linux isn't a big deal. It is like installing any other program. Heck, install both Mate and Cinnamon and try them out. It is just a PPA for each, then you choose which you like to run at login.<br>
Of course, I'd test out each GUI in a different user account to limit setting collisions in the ~/.config/ and other dirs under $HOME.<br>
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PPAs really are nice, provided the person managing it is competent, trustworthy and maintains it against the main distro repositories.<br>
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Not a big deal at all. Just a few minutes to install on a fast connection. If you don't like a GUI, remove it from the system.<br>
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"Control panel" what's that? Settings are usually maintained in text files under ~/.config/ No need for a GUI to manage them, though sometimes the XML is easier to handle with some GUI tool. This isn't MS-Windows, the tools are hardly mandatory.<br>
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Am I overstating how easy this is? Anyone?<br>
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<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">"Ron Frazier (ALE)" <atllinuxenthinfo@techstarship.com> wrote:<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
<pre style="white-space: pre-wrap; word-wrap:break-word; font-family: monospace; margin-top: 0px">Hi Jay L, and Jim L,<br /><br />Thanks for this info on Cinnamon. So, it sounds like it's pretty easy to put Cinnamon on Ubuntu. First, I have to upgrade my machines to Ubuntu 12.04, which I haven't gotten around to yet. I'm still recovering one of my main machines and installing and tweaking things from an upgrade that I did of Windows Vista to Windows 7. All my data is still there, but I had to do a clean OS install because of the particular version of Vista and 7 that I was switching between. So, I had to reinstall and reconfigure all the major apps. So it's a bit of a mess. I may have to do the same thing with all my Ubuntu installs. I don't like that idea, but I've heard more than a few horror stories about OS version upgrades, versus installs. So, in a relatively short period of time, I have a whole boat load of OS upgrade / install / maintenance to do on multiple
computers ... and there are never enough free hours in the day ... particularly with other real life things interfering. But, al!<br />l the Linux stuff is on my list.<br /><br />Is it just as easy to install Mate as it is Cinnamon? I may want to go in that direction.<br /><br />Gnome 2 provides a few key features that I really need in my new desktop environment.<br /><br />1) Full hierarchical menu of all major applications on the system<br />2) Movable "panels" that I can park on any edge of the screen, to hold running apps (taskbar), status info (system tray), quick access icons, the menu itself, the trash can, the speaker icon, the network icon, etc.<br />3) I particularly want to have a small CPU usage monitor graph on one of those panels, which I can do now. In some cases, I also put a CPU frequency monitor and a temperature monitor there.<br /><br />So, my next question is, can Mate and / or Cinnamon do these things?<br /><br />My other concern about the new DE's is
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Ubuntu has removed many options from the control panel and gives the user much less control over things such as power settings, special visual effects settings, etc.<br /><br />So, my next question is, do Mate and / or Cinnamon restore this control capability to the user?<br /><br />And, finally, can I potentially have both Mate and Cinnamon on the system and switch between them?<br /><br />Sincerely,<br /><br />Ron<br /><br /><br /><br />Jay Lozier <jslozier@gmail.com> wrote:<br /><br /><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid #729fcf; padding-left: 1ex;">Ron<br /><br />Following the links from Linux Mint you get this as the 'buntu Cinnamon<br /><br />repository<br /><br /><a href="https://launchpad.net/~gwendal-lebihan-dev/+archive/cinnamon-stable">https://launchpad.net/~gwendal-lebihan-dev/+archive/cinnamon-stable</a> <br /><<a
href="https://launchpad.net/%7Egwendal-lebihan-dev/+archive/cinnamon-stable>">https://launchpad.net/%7Egwendal-lebihan-dev/+archive/cinnamon-stable></a>;<br /><br />The instructions to install are<br /><br />Add Repo:<br />sudo add-apt-repository ppa:gwendal-lebihan-dev/cinnamon-stable<br />sudo apt-get update<br /><br />Install:<br />sudo apt-get install cinnamon<br />Logout and Change the session to Cinnamon.<br /><br /><br /><br />On 02/01/2013 01:08 PM, Ron Frazier (ALE) wrote:<br /><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid #ad7fa8; padding-left: 1ex;">I wouldn't mind a presentation on Mint, or on installing Mate or<br /></blockquote>Cinnamon on Ubuntu. Since my Ubuntu 11.04 expired, I have to figure<br />out whether to fire them and go to Mint or try to put Mate or Cinnamon<br />on Ubuntu 12.04.<br /><br /><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid #ad7fa8; padding-left:
1ex;">Sincerely,<br /><br />Ron<br /><br /><br /><br />Jim Lynch <ale_nospam@fayettedigital.com> wrote:<br /><br /><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid #8ae234; padding-left: 1ex;">On 02/01/2013 08:20 AM, Jim Kinney wrote:<br /><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid #fcaf3e; padding-left: 1ex;">Is mint a desktop or a distro? I would put it in the desktop group.<br /></blockquote>I guess I've never seen a discussion of the difference but since<br /></blockquote></blockquote>Mint<br /><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid #ad7fa8; padding-left: 1ex;"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid #8ae234; padding-left: 1ex;">doesn't offer a specific server edition, I'll agree with you. Most<br /></blockquote></blockquote>of<br /><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0
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0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid #ad7fa8; padding-left: 1ex;"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid #8ae234; padding-left: 1ex;">Mint specific repos are GUI related.<br /><br />Jim.<br /><hr /><br />Ale mailing list<br />Ale@ale.org<br /><a href="http://mail.ale.org/mailman/listinfo/ale">http://mail.ale.org/mailman/listinfo/ale</a><br />See JOBS, ANNOUNCE and SCHOOLS lists at<br /><a href="http://mail.ale.org/mailman/listinfo">http://mail.ale.org/mailman/listinfo</a></blockquote><br />--<br /><br />Sent from my Android Acer A500 tablet with bluetooth keyboard and K-9<br /></blockquote>Mail.<br /><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid #ad7fa8; padding-left: 1ex;">Please excuse my potential brevity.<br /><br />(To whom it may concern. My email address has changed. Replying to<br /></blockquote>former<br /><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex; border-le
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email me and don't get a quick response, you might want to<br />call on the phone. I get about 300 emails per day from alternate energy<br />mailing lists and such. I don't always see new email messages very quickly.)<br /><br />Ron Frazier<br />770-205-9422 (O) Leave a message.<br />linuxdude AT <a href="http://techstarship.com">techstarship.com</a><br /><br /><br /><hr /><br />Ale mailing list<br />Ale@ale.org<br /><a href="http://mail.ale.org/mailman/listinfo/ale">http://mail.ale.org/mailman/listinfo/ale</a><br />See JOBS, ANNOUNCE and SCHOOLS lists at<br /><a href="http://mail.ale.org/mailman/listinfo">http://mail.ale.org/mailman/listinfo</a><br /></pre></blockquote></div><br>
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