<p>So.... you doing the gentoo talk or not :-)</p>
<div class="gmail_quote">On Jan 30, 2013 4:07 PM, "Jeff Hubbs" <<a href="mailto:jhubbslist@att.net">jhubbslist@att.net</a>> wrote:<br type="attribution"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<div>Fine, just have CFLAGS="-march=native
-O3 -pipe" in your make.conf followed by emerge -e world (although
it would be safer to start with emerge -e system, make sure the
build system still works, then emerge -e world), come back in a
while, and you're there. <br>
<br>
I have long maintained that people are missing the point when they
get all hung up about the compiling when it comes to Gentoo. And
practically no one who disses it works with it a lot. I just like
having a stripped-down distro that I can build up to where I want
it as opposed to cut down to where I want it, with a robust and
highly adjustable packaging system, where the packages are not far
removed from the upstream maintainers' intent and current versions
(in some cases, *future* versions).<br>
<br>
For the most part, the only time the compiling is really
significant time-wise is when you're putting in or updating the
big stuff, like gcc, xorg, Firefox, LibreOffice (and for those
last two and some others, there is a binary-only package
available). If you run a Gentoo house, you tend to build up an
instance to some point that you like (basically an X-less setup
prepared for your infrastructure, e.g., NTP, LDAP, and sshd
already set up), tarball it off, and push that tarball onto the
next machine(s) you want to stand up. And if you still find
yourself waiting too long for compiles, fine - give yourself a
little (or big) distcc infrastructure. <br>
<br>
I've used Gentoo for something like a dozen years and I learned
how to put up very nice and capable systems using it. I've run it
on everything from VIA-based thin clients to i586es to Suns to
8-way 26-disk monsters. I have a file server, a video ripper, and
a couple other machines running it here at home, two at school,
and an instance in VirtualBox in my MacBook. They are my Swiss
Army knives,my Porsches, and my nunchucks. :) They let me make
the most out of most any hardware, old or new, I can get my hands
on. <br>
<br>
It was my hope at one point that I could teach some guys what I'd
learned but that opportunity never materialized and I left the
industry instead (I got away from Microsoft hegemony only to land
in a Red Hat one); at least I can make use of my Gentoo
capabilities in my new line of work as needed without being given
a lot of crap about it.<br>
<br>
On 1/30/13 8:04 AM, Jim Kinney wrote:<br>
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<p>It got the list to wake up :D</p>
<p>If the emerge process involved a -O3 setting on compilation I
would say gentoo provided value over other methods. As it is it
merely provides source distribution for end user compilation. So
I get more work with the same outcome. I can get similar
performance with binary package installation from any reasonably
managed distro.</p>
<p>All that said, I'm now having fantasies of an -O3 iteratively
compiled gcc/glibc HPC platform.</p>
<p>and fantasies of the budget to buy the hardware to run it on
:-} I'm thinking four 16 core 2.8GHz Opterons with 1TB RAM
would be a good starting point.</p>
<p>Sigh</p>
<div class="gmail_quote">On Jan 30, 2013 12:13 AM, "Jeff Hubbs"
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<div>Sigh, people *still* busting on Gentoo. Shame.<br>
<br>
On 1/29/13 5:55 PM, Jim Kinney wrote:<br>
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<blockquote type="cite">Yep!<br>
RHEL/CentOS for work and for people who want to do things
_with_ the computer not just _to_ it.<br>
Fedora for home and work and testing next-gen technologies
(with rawhide for the brave and sleep-deprived)<br>
<br>
Ubuntu for wasting time with children who don't know what
goes on under the hood and don't care.<br>
Gentoo for people with really good mental health care
coverage.<br>
Slackware for people that can't get past 1993.<br>
<br>
And Gnome3 and Unity for totally irritating nearly
everyone.<br>
<br>
:D<br>
<br>
<div class="gmail_quote"> On Tue, Jan 29, 2013 at 5:38 PM,
Chuck Payne <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:terrorpup@gmail.com" target="_blank">terrorpup@gmail.com</a>></span>
wrote:<br>
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Matthew,<br>
<br>
FYI, the ALE group is more of a Debian/Ubutu group
mainly. I think<br>
those that use RHEK only use it with work.<br>
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On Tue, Jan 29, 2013 at 5:29 PM, Jim Kinney <<a href="mailto:jim.kinney@gmail.com" target="_blank">jim.kinney@gmail.com</a>>
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> Ha! If it runs SuSE, it'll run RHEL (faster
:-) and probably crash canonical<br>
> servers attempting an update<br>
><br>
> <ducks and runs><br>
><br>
><br>
> On Tue, Jan 29, 2013 at 5:18 PM, Matthew <<a href="mailto:simontek@gmail.com" target="_blank">simontek@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:<br>
>><br>
>> That's why I shared. Plus give you ammo
for a rhel/suse fight<br>
>><br>
>> On Jan 29, 2013 4:57 PM, "Beddingfield,
Allen" <<a href="mailto:allen@ua.edu" target="_blank">allen@ua.edu</a>>
wrote:<br>
>>><br>
>>> As one of the resident SUSE fanatics,
that makes me smile :)<br>
>>> Allen B.<br>
>>> --<br>
>>> Allen Beddingfield<br>
>>> Systems Engineer<br>
>>> The University of Alabama<br>
>>><br>
>>> From: Matthew <<a href="mailto:simontek@gmail.com" target="_blank">simontek@gmail.com</a><mailto:<a href="mailto:simontek@gmail.com" target="_blank">simontek@gmail.com</a>>><br>
>>> Reply-To: Atlanta Linux Enthusiasts
<<a href="mailto:ale@ale.org" target="_blank">ale@ale.org</a><mailto:<a href="mailto:ale@ale.org" target="_blank">ale@ale.org</a>>><br>
>>> Date: Tuesday, January 29, 2013 3:29
PM<br>
>>> To: Atlanta Linux Enthusiasts <<a href="mailto:ale@ale.org" target="_blank">ale@ale.org</a><mailto:<a href="mailto:ale@ale.org" target="_blank">ale@ale.org</a>>><br>
>>> Subject: [ale] Suse<br>
>>><br>
>>> I know one of you guys is a Suse fan,
so figured to share this:<br>
>>> <a href="http://ampex.com/ts-prod-fam.html" target="_blank">http://ampex.com/ts-prod-fam.html</a><br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
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