<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto"><div>I think Jim should get a beer too. And one for me. <br><br><div>--</div><div>From my iP<span class="Apple-style-span" style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.296875); -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469); -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.230469); ">hone</span></div><div>Geoffrey Myers</div></div><div><br>On Jan 7, 2013, at 3:25 PM, Jim Kinney <<a href="mailto:jim.kinney@gmail.com">jim.kinney@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div>Ah. yes. Payment in "restricted sales substances".<br><br>I still think I should get a beer out of this :-)<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Jan 7, 2013 at 2:49 PM, Ron Frazier (ALE) <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:atllinuxenthinfo@techstarship.com" target="_blank">atllinuxenthinfo@techstarship.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">It's work for hire.<br>
<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br>
Ron<br>
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<br>
Jim Kinney <<a href="mailto:jim.kinney@gmail.com">jim.kinney@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
<br>
>And since private gambling is technically not allowed in Ga....<br>
><br>
>Both of you owe me a beer :-)<br>
><br>
>On Mon, Jan 7, 2013 at 1:04 PM, Ron Frazier (ALE) <<br>
><a href="mailto:atllinuxenthinfo@techstarship.com">atllinuxenthinfo@techstarship.com</a>> wrote:<br>
><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> Phil Turmel <<a href="mailto:philip@turmel.org">philip@turmel.org</a>> wrote:<br>
>><br>
>> >On 01/07/2013 10:34 AM, Ron Frazier (ALE) wrote:<br>
>> >> Hi Phil,<br>
>> >><br>
>> >> I tried googling around on this for a while but couldn't find<br>
>> >> anything conclusive. I could be wrong about this, but, I would be<br>
>> >> willing to bet an entirely trivial amount of money that, if you<br>
>> >> install Win XP on bare metal on a 4K drive, with the 1st partition<br>
>> >> starting at sector 2048, that you won't be able to boot unless you<br>
>> >> replace the boot loader with the one from Vista, 7, or something<br>
>like<br>
>> >> Grub. (My English teacher would love that sentence.) I have no<br>
>way<br>
>> >> to try this however, so, unless someone tries it or knows the<br>
>answer,<br>
>> >> it may remain a mystery.<br>
>> ><br>
>> >Thanks to this list, I have M350 mini-itx HTPC parts coming soon. I<br>
>> >can<br>
>> >do a quick test of XP to settle this before I put the real system on<br>
>it<br>
>> >(MythTV frontend).<br>
>> ><br>
>> >I'd consider the cost of a beverage of choice after the next meeting<br>
>to<br>
>> >be trivial enough. :-)<br>
>> ><br>
>> >Phil<br>
>><br>
>> Hi Phil,<br>
>><br>
>> OK, I guess I left myself open for that. I'll make the bet under the<br>
>> following criteria. I have to clarify some things so we're on the<br>
>same<br>
>> page. Here's what you have to do to win.<br>
>><br>
>> You must get Windows XP running on bare metal on an advanced format<br>
>HDD ,<br>
>> partitioned on 1 MiB boundaries, with XP's own bootloader as follows:<br>
>><br>
>> * This bet is between Ron Frazier and Phil Turmel only. No other<br>
>> participants can claim the prize. Helpers are allowed.<br>
>> * Windows XP must be running on bare metal, no virtual machines.<br>
>> * The storage medium must be a hard drive, not an ssd or a hybrid<br>
>drive.<br>
>> * The hard drive must have 4 KB physical sectors. This must be<br>
>documented<br>
>> on the hard drive maker's site. Please provide a link.<br>
>> * You may NOT use the jumper on some drives that lies to the pc and<br>
>claims<br>
>> sector 64 is 63.<br>
>> * AFTER the XP installation. The first partition of the hard drive<br>
>must<br>
>> begin on sector 2048 according to gparted. A screenshot of the<br>
>gparted<br>
>> information screen for that partition will act as proof. If Windows<br>
>XP<br>
>> repartitions the drive during installation and changes the beginning<br>
>> sector, it must be repartitioned again to put the beginning sector at<br>
>2048.<br>
>> The hard should use MBR format.<br>
>> * Windows XP must be installed on the first partition.<br>
>> * Once the installation is done, Windows XP must boot and load<br>
>properly on<br>
>> the above referenced hard drive.. A screenshot of the my computer<br>
>> properties screen will act as proof.<br>
>> * Windows XP must boot with its own native bootloader. If you have<br>
>to<br>
>> repair a failed boot sequence, you may use only the Windows XP<br>
>install<br>
>> disk, not Windows Vista or 7 or 8. If you use a Linux tool to repair<br>
>a<br>
>> broken boot sequence, you cannot replace the Windows XP bootloader.<br>
>> Booting to Grub, for example, is not allowed.<br>
>> * Results of the testing should be published here to ALE with<br>
>screenshots<br>
>> linked to in a publicly accessible place.<br>
>> * If you get it working, you have to tell the rest of us how you did<br>
>it.<br>
>><br>
>> If you get it working under these conditions, I will buy you a drink<br>
>up to<br>
>> $ 5. If you try and fail, I get the $ 5.<br>
>><br>
>> Let me know what you think. 8-)<br>
>><br>
>> Sincerely,<br>
>><br>
>> Ron<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> --<br>
>><br>
>> Sent from my Android Acer A500 tablet with bluetooth keyboard and K-9<br>
>Mail.<br>
>> Please excuse my potential brevity.<br>
>><br>
>> (To whom it may concern. My email address has changed. Replying to<br>
>former<br>
>> messages prior to 03/31/12 with my personal address will go to the<br>
>wrong<br>
>> address. Please send all personal correspondence to the new<br>
>address.)<br>
>><br>
>> (PS - If you email me and don't get a quick response, you might want<br>
>to<br>
>> call on the phone. I get about 300 emails per day from alternate<br>
>energy<br>
>> mailing lists and such. I don't always see new email messages very<br>
>> quickly.)<br>
>><br>
>> Ron Frazier<br>
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<br>
Sent from my Android Acer A500 tablet with bluetooth keyboard and K-9 Mail.<br>
Please excuse my potential brevity.<br>
<br>
(To whom it may concern. My email address has changed. Replying to former<br>
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gain at one end you lose at the other. It's like feeding a dog on his
own tail. It won't fatten the dog.<br>
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