<div dir="ltr"><font>"My point was that it has twice the support life cycle of Ubuntu."</font><div><font><br></font></div><div><font>And my (poorly made) point is that it doesn't. All Ubuntu support means is that Canonical is rolling the debs for you. As long as you have the Linux source code at your disposal, you can keep patching your system for as long as you have an itch to scratch. In perpetuity, if that's what you want.</font></div>
<div><font><br></font></div><div style><font>That's the whole point of open source - you're no longer at the mercy of the vendor.</font></div><div><font><br></font></div><div><font>ed<br></font><div class="gmail_extra">
<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 9:05 PM, Ron Frazier (ALE) <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:atllinuxenthinfo@techstarship.com" target="_blank">atllinuxenthinfo@techstarship.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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Hi Edward,<br>
<br>
Well, there you go then. 8-)<br>
<br>
Actually, all my machines dual boot between Windows and Linux. One
machine is happily still running Vista after 5 years. I'll upgrade to
Windows 7 when I get around to it. My point was that it has twice the
support life cycle of Ubuntu.<br>
<br>
Sincerely,<br>
<br>
Ron<div><div class="h5"><br>
<br>
On 1/3/2013 11:37 AM, Edward Holcroft wrote:
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<div dir="ltr"><font>"So, Vista, which was released in 2007, is
supported until 2017, the same as Ubuntu 12.04 LTS."</font>
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<div><font>Well that settles it then: use Vista. :-)</font></div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 3:13 AM, Ron Frazier
(ALE) <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:atllinuxenthinfo@techstarship.com" target="_blank">atllinuxenthinfo@techstarship.com</a>></span>
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<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);margin:0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex;padding-left:1ex">Hi
all,<br>
<br>
( I've been tied up with hard drive maintenance lately. I have some
old threads still waiting for replies on tablet GUI's, hard drive
maintenance, and hard drive partitions. I've got some info to share on
these topics when I can. Thanks for all the replies to those earlier
threads. I just happened to be up late tonight and have been dealing
with OS upgrades on Windows, so I thought I'd ask about OS upgrades on
Linux too.)<br>
<br>
My Ubuntu 11.04 installs recently went out of support, so I'm
considering upgrading. I want to stick within the Debian lineage since
I really like the efficient package management system of APT and am
fairly familiar with the way Ubuntu does things. I hate Unity, as I've
ranted about before. I do like Gnome 2, so I want something similar to
that.<br>
<br>
I probably won't be doing Debian 6 Squeeze, per this article:<br>
<br>
<a href="http://www.osnews.com/story/24535/Debian_6_Squeeze_Not_Good/" target="_blank">http://www.osnews.com/story/24535/Debian_6_Squeeze_Not_Good/</a><br>
<br>
The main options I'm aware of right now are Ubuntu 12.04 LTS and Mint.
The idea of a full install isn't appealing, since there are hundreds
of things I tweak when I install any new OS, and it takes several days.
(Firefox plus Ghostery plus Better Privacy plus NoScript plus Flash
alone have about 80 settings options to check, for each user login.)
But, I could do a full install if I have to.<br>
<br>
Based on my reading, I'd probably put Mate on as the UI. I know this,
I must have a categorized MENU of all available apps, like Gnome 2.
The DASH button then type what you want option in Unity is fine if
it's an ADJUNCT to the MENU. If you know what you want, that's
wonderful. If there's a lot more about Linux that you don't know than
what you do, like me, then you need a MENU.<br>
<br>
The other thing that's important to me is support. Ubuntu 12.04 LTS is
supported for 5 years. That's good. Because, I'd much rather spend my
time using the computer than upgrading it every couple of years or so.<br>
<br>
Frankly, Microsoft is doing better at this than the Linux community.
My Vista and Windows 7 installs get security and maintenance updates
for 10 years, compared to 5 for new LTS versions of Ubuntu, 3 for prior
LTS versions (I think), and 1.5 or .5 for some products.<br>
<br>
So, Vista, which was released in 2007, is supported until 2017, the
same as Ubuntu 12.04 LTS.<br>
Windows 7, which was released in 2009, is supported until 2020, longer
than any current Linux I'm familiar with.<br>
<br>
I think that if Linux developers want long term users, they need to get
more serious about long term support. Ubuntu's move to 5 year LTS
support is a step in the right direction.<br>
<br>
Anyway, from a functionality and usability point of view, do you think
I'd be better off with Ubuntu 12.04 and Mate, Mint and Mate, or
something else? I also want to make my upgrade path as relatively
painless as possible. I'm considering doing an in place upgrade to
Ubuntu 11.10 and then an in place upgrade to 12.04. I know that will
take many hours, but hopefully, most things that used to work will
still work.<br>
<br>
Any help is appreciated, as always.<br>
<br>
Sincerely,<br>
<br>
Ron<br>
<br>
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