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Hi Jonathan,<br>
<br>
I would take advantage of whatever you can learn at your current
employer. Free training is cool. Getting paid to learn is even
better. If you want to learn something else, Leam Hall convinced me to
work on learning GO after a number of discussions I had here on the
list. It's a relatively new language created by Google which addresses
many shortcomings of other languages and is reputed to be fun to learn
and use. I think the employment prospects will be good for it if it
continues to catch on, but it is not, at present, used as widely as
some of the other ones you mentioned. One problem it has, at present,
as far as I know, is that there is no GUI, so it's better for systems
programming than desktop programming.<br>
<br>
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://golang.org/">http://golang.org/</a><br>
<br>
Sincerely,<br>
<br>
Ron<br>
<br>
On 12/27/2012 10:55 PM, Jonathan Meek wrote:
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cite="mid:CAC1vE+Z_w2iLCSxAkn5GuCH-6DWjy2e=L+vDt8P330wy-mCy7g@mail.gmail.com"
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<p>As a newcomer, i am faced with an interesting challenge before me:
learn .NET/C# in order to become a programmer in my current employment
or do I learn Java/C++/Perl/Ruby and try my chances elsewhere?</p>
<p>My passion is computers and i fear being struck into a cast of M$
developer only. I want to write code because it's a great mental
exercise, not just for the money.</p>
<p>Any good thoughts on where to start? Side note: Planning to finish
a M.S. in computer science in July, paid by my employer with no
commitment to stay after completion.</p>
<p>Jonathan<br>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Dec 27, 2012 11:13 AM, "Jim Kinney" <<a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:jim.kinney@gmail.com">jim.kinney@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:<br type="attribution">
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style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">On
Thu, Dec 27, 2012 at 9:26 AM, Charles Shapiro<br>
<<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:hooterpincher@gmail.com">hooterpincher@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:<br>
> OTOH I have been struggling with Eclipse and Android for a couple
of days<br>
> now. I've gotten it to believe that my "Hello World" app is
actually a<br>
> project, but it won't re-generate the R.java file, which is
created from the<br>
> various and sundry XML files which specify things like screens and
strings.<br>
> It's an ongoing wrangle, but I could sure use someone who really
knows<br>
> Eclipse, even though I've already created the application at the<br>
> command-line.<br>
><br>
<br>
Eclipse: when a luminous body is obscured from view.<br>
<br>
<br>
> -- CHS<br>
><br>
><br>
> On Thu, Dec 27, 2012 at 6:48 AM, Mike Harrison <<a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:cluon@geeklabs.com">cluon@geeklabs.com</a>>
wrote:<br>
>><br>
>> Shapiro waxed poetic:<br>
>><br>
>>> So heck, maybes this is the Way the World will Go, and us
happy<br>
>>> hard-workin' coders will merely be weird old fossils in a
universe of<br>
>>> sunglasses-wearing HTML writers.<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> In the real world, where bandwidth, CPU, memory,<br>
>> and -long term- reliability and maintainability are issues,<br>
>> fossils like us kick ass,<br>
>><br>
>> I can get more done with just a shell on a far away linux
system than most<br>
>> "developers" can do using the latest IDE and kewl language of
the week.<br>
>><br>
>> 10 lines of perl can be a powerful thing.<br>
>><br>
>> Three weeks ago I tought a young man to not trust his IDE with
all the<br>
>> supported options and commands. His code would not connect. It
did not have:<br>
>> CURLOPT_SSL_VERIFYPEER and CURLOPT_SSL_VERIFYHOST as options
in his IDE, he<br>
>> did not RTFM. While the people that built the drop down
pick-list of PHP<br>
>> options may have had valid reasons for not including these
standard options,<br>
>> he had become so dependant upon these crutches he was limited
by them. He<br>
>> had to connect to an internal IP address with a self-signed
cert. Impossible<br>
>> he said.. He was not comfortable with a shell on the
production server, or<br>
>> scp.. or.. or.. and was cutting and pasting code chunks from
Eclipse into a<br>
>> server side web based file browser.... But he was very bright.<br>
>><br>
>> A recent email from Antony exposes that he is playing with
ssh, scp,<br>
>> Geany, jEdit and vi and learning to "get naked with code" in
his words.<br>
>> Antony is starting to understand where an IDE is useful, and
that there<br>
>> are sometimes more appropriate options. It is A tool, it
should not be<br>
>> your only tool.<br>
>><br>
>> The role of us old fossils is to expose follies and teach.<br>
>> Sometimes with a clue bat in our hands.<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
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