<p>Hmm. There was much more on the screen when I hit send than appears in the post. Lost 3/4 of my reply. Must dig into sendmail logs. Happy Turkey Day!</p>
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And I for one am glad that has so far been nothing more than
mouthing-off. I put the secession crap in the same bucket.<br>
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Warning - ranting follows.
I'm trying to figure out how I'll pay my bills if (when) my taxes go up radically and how I'll get healthcare if (when) they drive Blue Cross, Cigna, Aetna, etc. out of business. Yeah, they're profiteers, sometimes even bloodsucking and overbearing. (By the way, there's nothing wrong with reasonable profit, else why be in business.) But, the fact remains that, right now, my family has coverage, and, if needed, can get access to state of the art medicine and only pay for a small portion out of pocket for it. EVERY nation that has tried nationalized health care has failed miserably. Look at Canada. People there have to wait months to get critical care, sometimes don't get it at all, and sometimes cross the border into the USA to get the care they need, if they can afford it.</pre>
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I, and many others, see the current implementation of mandatory
insurance to be the biggest public sector support of private profit
outside of the military-industrial complex. The insurance companies
are gloating over the anticipated profits. Yes, they will have to
pay out more for the previously "uninsurable" but it's more than
compensated for by the huge boost in people paying in that don't <br>
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My Dad, who's studied the Obamacare issue a bit, says he'll have to either pay $ 2000 per year for a health care policy, which he probably cannot afford, or pay the IRS (of all people) an $ 800 fine, which he also cannot afford. Those increased mandatory expenses may very well keep him from paying for some other critical things until he can improve his finances. Some choice.
One more thing. The manager of a local restaurant said the owner is considering whether he can even stay in business if he has to provide mandatory health care for all employees. As an alternative, he can demote all employees below 30 hours / week so they don't fall under the mandatory rules. The taxes and overhead caused by the new legislation WILL drive many small businesses out of business, and, very likely, deepen or extend the recession.
Yes, happy times are here ... right.
End of rant.
Ron
Jim Kinney <a href="mailto:jim.kinney@gmail.com" target="_blank"><jim.kinney@gmail.com></a> wrote:
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<pre>Open Source: Bringing down "The Man" one election at a time.
Glad I didn't drink the Koch bros koolaid. I voted for the moderate
republican policy list from a now 2 term president. Must suck donkey
balls
to have voted for the other guy.
BWAHAHAHA!
Gov head count about the same. Health insurance still run by
profiteering
heartless scum. Freedom eroded more by Patriot Act and TSA than all
else
combined. Economy stinks since not enough people making $50k and too
many
making $1M+ since investment doesn't create jobs unless it's IPO or new
small business. My RedHat IPO purchase created more jobs than Bain
Capital
did in 10 years.
The election is OVER
Time to stop pissing and moaning and get to work making the world a
better
place. Another banker with another million is not a starting place.
On Nov 20, 2012 11:37 PM, "Ron Frazier (ALE)" <
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healthcare system will be decimated. If you need medical care and
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The open source stuff is cool though.
IMHO.
I am not trying to start a flame war, and I'm sure others may
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Ron
"Michael H. Warfield" <a href="mailto:mhw@WittsEnd.com" target="_blank"><mhw@WittsEnd.com></a> wrote:
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Republican IT efforts with their project ORCA was an unmitigated
disaster. What's very interesting is ARS Technica's examination of
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(To whom it may concern. My email address has changed. Replying to
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Ron Frazier
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Every time you stop a school, you will have to build a jail. What you gain at one end you lose at the other. It's like feeding a dog on his own tail. It won't fatten the dog.
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