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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 10/31/2012 04:58 PM, Bob Kruger
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            will be more difficult, and some additional
            programming/script work needs to happen.&nbsp; I won't go into it
            here, but if someone wants to take a <font size="2">look,
              email me directly for all that is involved.<br>
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              <font size="2">V/r<br>
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    <font size="2">Bob <br>
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                            <font size="2">et<font size="2">c. Also, I
                                have found these files flunk <font
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        From: Erik Mathis <erik@mathists.com>
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          Sent: Oct 31, 2012 4:51 PM
          <br>
          To: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:ale@ale.org">ale@ale.org</a>
          <br>
          Subject: Re: [ale] Website Conversion
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            <zzzbody bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000"> I've only ever
              migrated one site off dotnetnuke. I used wget to spider
              the site and some sed foo to remove dotnetnuke crud from
              the files wget made. iirc it took about 2 hours of work.<br>
              <br>
              -Erik-<br>
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              <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 10/31/2012 04:20 PM, Jay
                Lozier wrote:<br>
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                  <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 10/31/2012 03:12 PM,
                    Bob Kruger wrote:<br>
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cite="mid:25395986.1351710741260.JavaMail.root@elwamui-hybrid.atl.sa.earthlink.net"
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                      color="#000000"><font size="2"><font
                          face="arial,sans-serif">The current site is
                          informational.&nbsp; Primary purpose now is to
                          provide the organization's newsletter for
                          download.&nbsp;&nbsp; For the future site, there is some
                          e-commerce that would happen.&nbsp; Also,
                          membership should be handled via the site
                          using some sort of e-commerce application.&nbsp;
                          Because there are different membership options
                          (based on distribution of the newsletter, e.g.
                          electronic, printed, or CD), we would like to
                          see that handled via the site as well.<br>
                          <br>
                          Database is Microsoft SQL, but exporting and
                          importing will not be that difficult and I can
                          probably handle that.<br>
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                  <font size="2">I<font size="2">t does not sound <font
                        size="2">like it should be to difficult <font
                          size="2">to migrate <font size="2">more like
                            tedious and possibl<font size="2">y time <font
                                size="2">consuming. You might want to
                                review the <font size="2">site's html
                                  to see how clean it is<font size="2">.
                                    <font size="2">I do not know how
                                      messy the <font size="2">final
                                        code <font size="2">produce by
                                          <font size="2">Do<font
                                              size="2">tNetNuke is<font
                                                size="2"> or if tends <font
                                                  size="2">produce
                                                  non-standard html.</font></font></font></font></font></font></font></font></font></font></font></font></font></font></font></font><br>
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                      From: Jay Lozier <jslozier@gmail.com> <br>
                        Sent: Oct 31, 2012 2:55 PM <br>
                        To: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
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                          href="mailto:ale@ale.org">ale@ale.org</a> <br>
                        Subject: Re: [ale] Website Conversion <br>
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                            <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 10/31/2012
                              12:57 PM, Bob Kruger wrote:<br>
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                                    face="arial,sans-serif">All;<br>
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                                    <font size="2">I "inherited" main<font
                                        size="2">tain<font size="2">a</font>nce
                                        of</font> a website that is run
                                      via DotNetNuke on a Microsoft
                                      server.&nbsp; To s<font size="2">ay
                                        that I am undershwelmed is an
                                        overstatement.&nbsp; However, the
                                        site has been up for a number of
                                        years, and site users have
                                        gotten used to the look and
                                        feel.&nbsp; To change that would <font
                                          size="2">not be good.<br>
                                          <br>
                                          <font size="2">At the same
                                            time, the <font size="2">web<font
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                                                  size="2">ovider that <font
                                                    size="2">I inherited<font
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                                                      webhost4life.com,
                                                      <font size="2">has
                                                        proven to be
                                                        increasingly
                                                        incompetent and
                                                        unresponsive
                                                        with useless
                                                        tech support
                                                        from Mumbai<font
                                                          size="2">.&nbsp;
                                                          All are sorry
                                                          for my
                                                          inconvenience,
                                                          but they do
                                                          nothing to fix
                                                          problems.&nbsp;
                                                          Time for a
                                                          change </font></font></font></font></font></font></font></font></font></font></font></font></font></font><br>
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                              <font size="2"><font size="2">I<font
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                                      both Windows server based systems
                                      and Linux based systems <font
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                                        to a Linux based platform and
                                        software<font size="2">, but
                                          keep <font size="2">a similar
                                            look at feel.&nbsp; <font
                                              size="2">And, there is
                                              compensation <font
                                                size="2">with this
                                                project, e.g. not asking
                                                for free work.<br>
                                                <br>
                                                <font size="2">An<font
                                                    size="2">y takers or
                                                    recommendations?<br>
                                                    <br>
                                                    <font size="2">V/r<br>
                                                      <br>
                                                      <font size="2">Bob</font><br>
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                            Bob,<br>
                            <br>
                            A couple of quick questions:<br>
                            <br>
                            What type of site is it (e-commerce,
                            informational, etc.)?<br>
                            I am concerned about what security, data
                            encryption, etc. that are required.<br>
                            <br>
                            Does it use a database (MS SQL Server most
                            likely if it is MS based)?<br>
                            In principle migrating from one relational
                            database to another is more a pain than
                            especially difficult. Details such as
                            indexing, views, etc may be troublesome in
                            the conversion and there some differences in
                            the SQL dialects.<br>
                            <br>
                            Is there any server side scripting and if so
                            what language?<br>
                            My guess for an MS site is asp.<br>
                            <br>
                            There are several cheap, good hosting
                            companies available and from what know
                            transferring to another host is not terribly
                            difficult. I think transferring is mostly
                            about paying a fee and wait a few minutes
                            and you are done.<br>
                            <br>
                            I have recently started working with Fat
                            Cows (<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                              class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated"
                              href="http://www.fatcows.com">www.fatcows.com</a>)
                            for a couple of informational websites. So
                            far they seem very good.<br>
                            <br>
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