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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 10/31/2012 04:58 PM, Bob Kruger
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color="#000000"><font size="2"><font face="arial,sans-serif">This
will be more difficult, and some additional
programming/script work needs to happen. I won't go into it
here, but if someone wants to take a <font size="2">look,
email me directly for all that is involved.<br>
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<font size="2">V/r<br>
<br>
<font size="2">Bob</font><br>
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<font size="2">Bob <br>
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experience has be<font size="2">en with <font size="2">cleaning
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have found these files flunk <font
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to consider is what <font
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the various
programs/conversions
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I just got<font
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Jay<br>
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<blockquote style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 0px;
BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid">-----Original Message-----
<br>
From: Erik Mathis <erik@mathists.com>
<br>
Sent: Oct 31, 2012 4:51 PM
<br>
To: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:ale@ale.org">ale@ale.org</a>
<br>
Subject: Re: [ale] Website Conversion
<br>
<br>
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<zzzbody bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000"> I've only ever
migrated one site off dotnetnuke. I used wget to spider
the site and some sed foo to remove dotnetnuke crud from
the files wget made. iirc it took about 2 hours of work.<br>
<br>
-Erik-<br>
<br>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 10/31/2012 04:20 PM, Jay
Lozier wrote:<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 10/31/2012 03:12 PM,
Bob Kruger wrote:<br>
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color="#000000"><font size="2"><font
face="arial,sans-serif">The current site is
informational. Primary purpose now is to
provide the organization's newsletter for
download. For the future site, there is some
e-commerce that would happen. Also,
membership should be handled via the site
using some sort of e-commerce application.
Because there are different membership options
(based on distribution of the newsletter, e.g.
electronic, printed, or CD), we would like to
see that handled via the site as well.<br>
<br>
Database is Microsoft SQL, but exporting and
importing will not be that difficult and I can
probably handle that.<br>
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<font size="2">I<font size="2">t does not sound <font
size="2">like it should be to difficult <font
size="2">to migrate <font size="2">more like
tedious and possibl<font size="2">y time <font
size="2">consuming. You might want to
review the <font size="2">site's html
to see how clean it is<font size="2">.
<font size="2">I do not know how
messy the <font size="2">final
code <font size="2">produce by
<font size="2">Do<font
size="2">tNetNuke is<font
size="2"> or if tends <font
size="2">produce
non-standard html.</font></font></font></font></font></font></font></font></font></font></font></font></font></font></font></font><br>
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0px; BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid">-----Original
Message----- <br>
From: Jay Lozier <jslozier@gmail.com> <br>
Sent: Oct 31, 2012 2:55 PM <br>
To: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated"
href="mailto:ale@ale.org">ale@ale.org</a> <br>
Subject: Re: [ale] Website Conversion <br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 10/31/2012
12:57 PM, Bob Kruger wrote:<br>
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color="#000000"><font size="2"><font
face="arial,sans-serif">All;<br>
<br>
<font size="2">I "inherited" main<font
size="2">tain<font size="2">a</font>nce
of</font> a website that is run
via DotNetNuke on a Microsoft
server. To s<font size="2">ay
that I am undershwelmed is an
overstatement. However, the
site has been up for a number of
years, and site users have
gotten used to the look and
feel. To change that would <font
size="2">not be good.<br>
<br>
<font size="2">At the same
time, the <font size="2">web<font
size="2"> hosting pr<font
size="2">ovider that <font
size="2">I inherited<font
size="2">, e.g.
webhost4life.com,
<font size="2">has
proven to be
increasingly
incompetent and
unresponsive
with useless
tech support
from Mumbai<font
size="2">.
All are sorry
for my
inconvenience,
but they do
nothing to fix
problems.
Time for a
change </font></font></font></font></font></font></font></font></font></font></font></font></font></font><br>
<br>
<font size="2"><font size="2">I<font
size="2"> am looking for <font
size="2">someone who can cross
both Windows server based systems
and Linux based systems <font
size="2">to migrate what we have
to a Linux based platform and
software<font size="2">, but
keep <font size="2">a similar
look at feel. <font
size="2">And, there is
compensation <font
size="2">with this
project, e.g. not asking
for free work.<br>
<br>
<font size="2">An<font
size="2">y takers or
recommendations?<br>
<br>
<font size="2">V/r<br>
<br>
<font size="2">Bob</font><br>
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<br>
Bob,<br>
<br>
A couple of quick questions:<br>
<br>
What type of site is it (e-commerce,
informational, etc.)?<br>
I am concerned about what security, data
encryption, etc. that are required.<br>
<br>
Does it use a database (MS SQL Server most
likely if it is MS based)?<br>
In principle migrating from one relational
database to another is more a pain than
especially difficult. Details such as
indexing, views, etc may be troublesome in
the conversion and there some differences in
the SQL dialects.<br>
<br>
Is there any server side scripting and if so
what language?<br>
My guess for an MS site is asp.<br>
<br>
There are several cheap, good hosting
companies available and from what know
transferring to another host is not terribly
difficult. I think transferring is mostly
about paying a fee and wait a few minutes
and you are done.<br>
<br>
I have recently started working with Fat
Cows (<a moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated"
href="http://www.fatcows.com">www.fatcows.com</a>)
for a couple of informational websites. So
far they seem very good.<br>
<br>
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