<p dir="ltr">If you look at the response, its just an affirmation that they won't interject with the use in the private spaces. Its a CYA maneuver.</p>
<p dir="ltr">--Cameron<br>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Oct 20, 2012 3:18 PM, "Jay Lozier" <<a href="mailto:jslozier@gmail.com">jslozier@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br type="attribution"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
On 10/19/2012 10:12 PM, Pete Hardie wrote:<br>
> I saw an update (on Slashdot?) that indicated Minnesota was<br>
> backpedalling on the ban<br>
> Pete Hardie<br>
> --------<br>
> Better Living Through Bitmaps<br>
They are. Apparently the best disinfectant for incompetent bureaucrats<br>
is ridicule.<br>
><br>
><br>
> On Fri, Oct 19, 2012 at 7:28 PM, Jay Lozier <<a href="mailto:jslozier@gmail.com">jslozier@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
>> On 10/19/2012 02:38 PM, Cameron Kilgore wrote:<br>
>><br>
>> Ice burn!<br>
>><br>
>> Coursera is more useful than most of my college textbooks. Then again, I've<br>
>> always used it post-secondary. I remain skeptical of its use in higher ed,<br>
>> but Minnesota's ban isn't a good start.<br>
>><br>
>> --Cameron<br>
>> Sent via mobile<br>
>><br>
>> There are two different issues. First is Cousera offering any degrees or<br>
>> continuing education credit; certificates of completion do not count even if<br>
>> highly regarded. Second is the course content on par with say an<br>
>> introductory college level computer science course. Coursera does not offer<br>
>> degrees AFAIK does not offer continuing education credit. This means they<br>
>> are offering training and education to any one who wants some form of self<br>
>> improvement. Essentially this is not any different than someone studying the<br>
>> material from a book bought from Amazon. The second issue is trickier<br>
>> because all the courses are offered by reputable, well known universities.<br>
>> My impression is that the content is generally lower undergraduate level but<br>
>> the requirements to successfully complete are not as rigorous.<br>
>><br>
>> The problem I see with Minnesota's stupidity is it appears that they do not<br>
>> want any competition that can not harass with their rules and regulations<br>
>> with their state university system. Even worse, Coursera is free with<br>
>> content supplied by other universities. I doubt the morons who signed off on<br>
>> this even bothered to review Coursera's website.<br>
>><br>
>> On Oct 19, 2012 12:36 PM, "Jim Kinney" <<a href="mailto:jim.kinney@gmail.com">jim.kinney@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
>>><br>
>>> Georgia can't spell "Coursera" yet so they are trying to figure out how to<br>
>>> cash in on Alabama and Tennessee water access.<br>
>>><br>
>>> On Fri, Oct 19, 2012 at 12:25 PM, Derek Atkins <<a href="mailto:derek@ihtfp.com">derek@ihtfp.com</a>> wrote:<br>
>>>> States are greedy.<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> Apparently their issue is that Coursera isn't "registered" and isn't<br>
>>>> paying the state fees associated with said registration. It almost<br>
>>>> sounds<br>
>>>> like something Georgia would do!<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> -derek<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> On Fri, October 19, 2012 12:18 pm, Jim Kinney wrote:<br>
>>>>> the world is screwy.<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> On Fri, Oct 19, 2012 at 10:20 AM, Michael Trausch <<a href="mailto:mike@trausch.us">mike@trausch.us</a>><br>
>>>>> wrote:<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>>> I am currently taking a class on this site as is Erica. Mine is a<br>
>>>>>> logic<br>
>>>>>> course from Stanford; hers is programming and I think also from<br>
>>>>>> Stanford.<br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>> What is the problem with our world? Now we can make free services<br>
>>>>>> illegal<br>
>>>>>> too? What the hell happened to criminal activities having to cause<br>
>>>>>> harm<br>
>>>>>> to<br>
>>>>>> person or property?<br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>> <a href="http://mobile.slate.com/blogs/future_tense/2012/10/18/minnesota_bans_coursera_state_takes_bold_stand_against_free_education.html" target="_blank">http://mobile.slate.com/blogs/future_tense/2012/10/18/minnesota_bans_coursera_state_takes_bold_stand_against_free_education.html</a><br>
>>>>>><br>
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>>>>> James P. Kinney III<br>
>>>>> *<br>
>>>>> *Every time you stop a school, you will have to build a jail. What you<br>
>>>>> gain<br>
>>>>> at one end you lose at the other. It's like feeding a dog on his own<br>
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>>><br>
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>>> at one end you lose at the other. It's like feeding a dog on his own tail.<br>
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