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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Folks<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>I am still receiving emails can I get taken off the list.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Thank You</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Steven Ruffolo</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Technical Lead</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Unisource</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>770-940-8282 - Office</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>770-734-2120 - Fax</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> ale-bounces@ale.org [mailto:ale-bounces@ale.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Jim Kinney<br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, April 26, 2012 10:44 PM<br><b>To:</b> Atlanta Linux Enthusiasts - Yes! We run Linux!<br><b>Subject:</b> [ale] pay rates vs. experience<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>One of the things I see as the admin for the list is the postings for the ale-jobs list before everyone else. I've never rejected a posting for having a crappy pay rate and never will. <br><br>BUT....<br><br>Given the state of things, economy, growth in demand for Linux skills, number of qualified admins in the field, etc., maybe it's time for a knock-down, drag out discussion on pay vs. experience.<br><br>The last time I saw a usix pay chart was probably 2005. At that time a RedHat EL admin wiiht a solid 5 years experience on the job was worth an average $80k/yr with decent benefitsw (company health insurance, retirement fund other than stock options, dental, etc).<br><br>Windows admins with 5 years were around $65k.<br><br>Solaris with 5 years got $90k. <br>IRIX admins were looking for a new OS to use.<br><br>Oracle DBA with 5 years could grab $95k anywhere.<br><br>Any professional certification added 5-10k to the above. Thos numbers were nation-wide averages so no are specific cost of living differentials.<br><br>Atlanta is cheaper than LA or New York and has a large and growing IT presence and a similar demand for Linux skills.<br><br>Lately, I've seen startups pay more but the risk is higher. Lower risk jobs pay less but the check always clears the bank. I recently took a lower pay job than I'm accustomed to just for the lower risk of short-term with a large corp. I have "stuff to do" that scratches some of my geek itches but leaves many untouched. <br><br>Is the current economy eating admin pay grades? I didn't take my current position because i wanted the main job function. I took for purely "gotta eat and pay bills" reasons (sell out but not starving does cause me some sleepless nights - then I go get something to eat and forget about it).<br clear=all><br>-- <br>-- <br>James P. Kinney III<br><br>As long as the general population is passive, apathetic, diverted to consumerism or hatred of the vulnerable, then the powerful can do as they please, and those who survive will be left to contemplate the outcome.<br>- <i>2011 Noam Chomsky<br><br><a href="http://heretothereideas.blogspot.com/" target="_blank">http://heretothereideas.blogspot.com/</a></i><o:p></o:p></p></div></body></html>