More reasons to never use a language "owned" by a company and not a foundation. <br><br>Having said that, I'm not sure I can adequately explain my thinking on the difference between a company and a foundation. It really more of an altruistic intent as a dividing line between the two in my mind; something created to solve a problem vs. something created to create a revenue stream. Not that either is exclusive of the other but the original intent seems to take dominance over time.<br>
<br>Besides, starbucks can't make good java so why does oracle think they can do any better?<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Apr 19, 2012 at 10:43 AM, Ron Frazier (ALE) <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:atllinuxenthinfo@techstarship.com">atllinuxenthinfo@techstarship.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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Hi all,<br>
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This is from the AJUG group. I thought you guys might like to see it.
I hope Oracle doesn't kill the market for Java since I'm about to get
serious about learning it.<br>
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Apologies for the HTML nature of the message if that causes anyone
problems. That's the way it came into my mailbox.<br>
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Sincerely,<br>
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Ron<br>
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<h1>Google and Oracle battle over the future of Android</h1>
<div><span>By <a href="mailto:david.goldman@turner.com" target="_blank"><font color="#0066cc">David
Goldman</font></a></span> <a href="https://twitter.com/intent/user?screen_name=cnnmoneytech" target="_blank"><font color="#0066cc">@CNNMoneyTech</font></a><span>April
17, 2012: 3:49 PM ET</span></div>
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<div>Google CEO Larry Page (left) and Oracle CEO Larry Ellison
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<div>NEW YORK (CNNMoney) -- A landmark court battle between
Google and Oracle has begun -- and its result will shape the future of
the Android ecosystem fueling most of the world's smartphones.</div>
<div>Silicon Valley's power players are always in the throes of <a href="http://us.mg4.mail.yahoo.com/2011/08/18/technology/patent_bubble/index.htm" target="_blank"><font color="#0066cc">nasty patent fights against each other</font></a>, but
this one is especially potent. Oracle claims that Google's Android
violates two patents plus several copyrights that Oracle holds on its
Java software, a ubiquitous programming language powering everything
from phones to websites. </div>
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<div>Although both Java and Android are <a href="http://us.mg4.mail.yahoo.com/2010/08/13/technology/oracle_android/index.htm" target="_blank"><font color="#0066cc">open-source platforms</font></a> -- neither Google (<span><a href="http://money.cnn.com/quote/quote.html?symb=GOOG&source=story_quote_link" target="_blank"><font color="#0066cc">GOOG</font></a></span>, <a href="http://money.cnn.com/magazines/fortune/fortune500/2011/snapshots/11207.html?source=story_f500_link" target="_blank"><font color="#0066cc">Fortune 500</font></a>) nor Oracle (<span><a href="http://money.cnn.com/quote/quote.html?symb=ORCL&source=story_quote_link" target="_blank"><font color="#0066cc">ORCL</font></a></span>, <a href="http://money.cnn.com/magazines/fortune/fortune500/2011/snapshots/3057.html?source=story_f500_link" target="_blank"><font color="#0066cc">Fortune 500</font></a>) generally charge for their use
-- their licensing terms are complex and precise. When Java creator Sun
Microsystems (<a href="http://us.mg4.mail.yahoo.com/2009/04/20/technology/Oracle_Sun/index.htm" target="_blank"><font color="#0066cc">acquired by Oracle</font></a> in 2010) set Java loose
as open-source software, it left significant limits in place around the
mobile version. </div>
<div>Companies building on top of Java's mobile platform
typically pay to license it. Google used an elaborate workaround and
essentially <a href="http://www.betaversion.org/%7Estefano/linotype/news/110/" target="_blank"><font color="#0066cc">built its own version</font></a> of a key system to
avoid those licensing fees and restrictions. </div>
<div>Oracle cried foul and hauled Google off to court -- a move
some expected from the moment it agreed to buy Sun.</div>
<div>"During the integration meetings between Sun and Oracle
where we were being grilled about the patent situation between Sun and
Google, we could see the Oracle lawyer's eyes sparkle," James Gosling,
one of Java's original architects, <a href="http://nighthacks.com/roller/jag/entry/the_shit_finally_hits_the" target="_blank"><font color="#0066cc">wrote on his blog</font></a> the day the lawsuit was
announced. </div>
<div>After 20 months of prep work and a blizzard of court
documents, the trial between the two tech titans kicked off Monday in
San Francisco.</div>
<div>Google insists its approach to building Android -- now the <a href="http://us.mg4.mail.yahoo.com/2011/03/07/technology/android/index.htm" target="_blank"><font color="#0066cc">most popular smartphone platform in the world</font></a>
-- did not infringe either Java's rules or Oracle's patents, and it
thinks Oracle's copyright claims are a sham. It called Oracle's
arguments "a classic attempt to improperly assert copyright over an
idea rather than expression."</div>
<div>But Oracle thinks it's got a smoking gun: An e-mail sent
from Google engineer Tim Lindholm to Android chief Andy Rubin just days
before Oracle filed its suit. Warned in advance by Oracle that it
believed Google was infringing its patents, Google asked Lindholm to
investigate its options.</div>
<div>He didn't like any of them. </div>
<div>"What we've actually been asked to do [by CEO Larry Page and
co-founder Sergey Brin] is to investigate what technical alternatives
exist to Java for Android and Chrome," Lindholm wrote. "We've been over
a bunch of these, and think they all suck. We conclude that we need to
negotiate a license for Java under the terms we need."</div>
<div>Google <a href="http://www.groklaw.net/articlebasic.php?story=20120206194613886" target="_blank"><font color="#0066cc">fought to keep that e-mail out of bounds</font></a>,
but lost. </div>
<div><span>0:00</span><span>/</span><span>3:33</span><span><a name="136cb298ec199934_hed"></a><font color="#000000">Patent baron Myhrvold defends the
system</font></span> </div>
<div>If its lawsuit is successful, Oracle could force Google to
pay it tens of millions of dollars in retroactive licensing fees and
potentially hundreds of millions more in the future. </div>
<div>But this isn't simply a damages case. Oracle already makes
plenty of money. Adding to its stash would be a nice perk, but it's not
the main motive for its legal crusade. </div>
<div>Oracle is picking a fight with Google because it feels that
Android is threatening the Java platform it got as part of its
blockbuster $7.4 billion Sun purchase. Android may be an off-shoot of
Java, but its interface and functionality is unique. Code written for
Java is not inherently compatible with Android -- and as Android grows,
its version of Java threatens to become the dominant one.</div>
<div>Oracle doesn't want to kill Android, but it wants to force
Google to play by its rules and make Android compatible with the rest
of Java.</div>
<div>That would be extremely difficult for Google and the Android
community. Each of the nearly 500,000 Android apps out there would have
to be rewritten or tweaked.</div>
<div>But for Oracle, it would be a coup. Developers would be able
to write apps around Java's programming interfaces that would also run
seamlessly on Android devices.</div>
<div>"That would transcend whatever Google ultimately could pay
Oracle," says Florian Mueller, an independent intellectual property
analyst and consultant. </div>
<div>New technologies like HTML5 are already making Java less
important on the Web. Oracle wants to make sure it doesn't lose the
rapidly growing mobile market as well. </div>
<div>Whatever the outcome, don't expect a big decision any time
soon. </div>
<div>With so much at stake, experts like Mueller think that this
case will get stuck in the courts for years. The two sides -- neither
known for backing away from a fight -- will most likely battle and
appeal their way straight up to the Supreme Court. <a href="http://us.mg4.mail.yahoo.com/neo/#TOP" target="_blank"><img src="" alt="To top of page" border="0" height="7" width="7"></a></div>
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