<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Mar 1, 2012 at 11:01 AM, Cameron Kilgore <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:ghostfreeman@gmail.com">ghostfreeman@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
Mike, I don't know if you know this, but many apps sniff for rooted access and deny themselves access if its enabled.<div><br></div><div>Parts of the Android Market (videos, namely) do this. Which granted, I've only used once...<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br>
</font></span></div></blockquote><div><br>Ah. Videos online. The bane of freedom-friendly software everywhere. <br><br>Yep. Can't have unlicensed people looking at the stuff we post for free. So we make 'em pay twice, once for the codec and again for the extra bandwidth for the encryption.<br>
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</font></span><div><span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br clear="all">--Cameron</font></span><div><div class="h5"><a href="http://ghostfreeman.net" target="_blank"></a><br>
<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Mar 1, 2012 at 10:50 AM, Michael H. Warfield <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:mhw@wittsend.com" target="_blank">mhw@wittsend.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
<div>On Thu, 2012-03-01 at 10:18 -0500, Cameron Kilgore wrote:<br>
> Microsoft's just following the plan that Apple and Google are following<br>
> with iOS and Android. Why only take the fight to Microsoft?<br>
<br>
</div>Huh?<br>
<br>
In what way is Google doing this with Android? They're not restricting<br>
any of the devices that work with Android to only use Android. I've got<br>
Android now that runs in a virtual machine on my systems. Many of the<br>
phones and tablets are locked but not by Google. They're locked by the<br>
vendor at the behest of the carrier and many, like HTC, Samsung, Sony,<br>
and Motorola, will unlock most of their newer devices (older ones are a<br>
problematical morass) at the request of the owners and many more are<br>
already rooted with no effort on the part of Google or the vendors to<br>
relock them. Go up to the Android market and search on "root" and look<br>
at all the returns (hint - more than what the search will tell you - it<br>
will say something like "more than 2000 results"). How is this like<br>
Microsoft and Apple?<br>
<br>
Regards,<br>
Mike<br>
<br>
> --Cameron <<a href="http://ghostfreeman.net" target="_blank">http://ghostfreeman.net</a>><br>
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><br>
> On Thu, Mar 1, 2012 at 9:58 AM, Charles Shapiro <<a href="mailto:hooterpincher@gmail.com" target="_blank">hooterpincher@gmail.com</a>>wrote:<br>
><br>
> > Interesting. This has been percolating out for a whiles. What it<br>
> > means is that desktop linux users are pretty ok for now, but your<br>
> > chances of taking control of a whole class of other devices ( such as<br>
> > your tablet, cell phone or netbook ) just went down.<br>
> ><br>
> > What Microsoft really wants to do, I suspect, is to create two tiers<br>
> > of users -- desktop guys who are professionals and must be catered to,<br>
> > and ARM-based users, who are just tubes that consume content and<br>
> > squirt out money. A great plan for them. Maybe not so good for the<br>
> > rest of us.<br>
> ><br>
> > -- CHS<br>
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> > Subject: [FSF] Enter the Restricted Boot Webcomic Contest: Defend user<br>
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> > To: Charles Shapiro <<a href="mailto:hooterpincher@gmail.com" target="_blank">hooterpincher@gmail.com</a>><br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> > In December, Microsoft apparently conceded to public pressure by<br>
> > quietly updating the Windows 8 logo certification requirements with a<br>
> > mandate that a desktop computer user must be able to control (and<br>
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