True. It will not count for work experience, BUT it's practice in the field that will get you through the technical questions that come up.<br><br>It also looks good that you go home and do more than you did at work. You are expanding your capabilities on your own time/dime.<br>
<br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Dec 28, 2011 at 9:50 AM, Geoffrey Myers <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:lists@serioustechnology.com">lists@serioustechnology.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
I can't say that I disagree with Jim's suggestions, but very few<br>
companies will see such home exercises as work experience.<br>
<br>
Just the same, you have to start somewhere. In most cases, you'll have<br>
to find a small company to get going with, which is difficult in the<br>
world of Linux.<br>
<div class="HOEnZb"><div class="h5"><br>
Charles Shapiro wrote:<br>
> +1 to everything Jim said.<br>
><br>
> Also write a fun//happy//entertaining open source projects in a<br>
> popular language + serious library, e.g. python/WXPython or C++/QT4.<br>
> Learn the ins and outs of build, unit test, and packaging ( ant,<br>
> maven, autoconf, et cetera ). Learn to use and love a source code<br>
> control system ( CVS, SubVersion, or git). Learn something about<br>
> databases, administration and SQL ( PostGreSQL, MySQL, et cetera).<br>
><br>
> Ideally, get involved in someone else's project so you have to<br>
> actually, like, cooperate with other people on a technical problem.<br>
> If you happen to have a relatively rare TLA ("Three Letter<br>
> Abbreviation") which an organization needs and interview even halfway<br>
> well (e.g. don't take your clothes off in front of the HR weasel) then<br>
> they'll Want You.<br>
><br>
> -- CHS<br>
><br>
><br>
> On Tue, Dec 27, 2011 at 4:47 PM, Jim Kinney <<a href="mailto:jim.kinney@gmail.com">jim.kinney@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
>> +10 on homework!<br>
>><br>
>> get a pile of old crap and make it "do things". Set up a web server, an NFS<br>
>> server, and a samba machine for windows file and print. Make everything<br>
>> talk to everything. Do things on a winders box and then do them better on<br>
>> the Linux box. Put MySQL and PostgreSQL on the same machine with the same<br>
>> data and test which one runs faster. Retest from a winders machine. retest<br>
>> through a webserver. That take some scripting/coding, some administration<br>
>> and some engineering.<br>
>><br>
>> <time to piss off the ubuntu/debian/slackware/gentoo fans><br>
>><br>
>> Get CentOS and read the RedHat documentation<br>
>> <a href="https://access.redhat.com/knowledge/docs/" target="_blank">https://access.redhat.com/knowledge/docs/</a> . Use nothing but CentOS 5 or<br>
>> CentOS6 (CentOS is the poor mans RHEL). The vast majority of paying jobs<br>
>> that come across the ale-jobs list (and that recruiters hit me as well) are<br>
>> for REDHAT. By vast majority, I mean 80+%. That doesn't mean some other<br>
>> distro won't work. But RHEL background will get your foot in the door.<br>
>> Configs between RHEL and Ubuntu are totally not compatible until you totally<br>
>> understand all bootup aspects of both distros AND are a bash guru.<br>
>><br>
>> <end RHEL love fest><br>
>><br>
>> Learn virtualization and clustering. Be able to pull the power cord out of a<br>
>> crap box and have it's backup system pick up automatically. Learn scripting!<br>
>> Bash is your friend! Automate everything! Make your systems sort email by<br>
>> sender's 3rd letter of their last name (useless but a hard scripting<br>
>> exercise!). Don't use a gui for anything except viewing pictures! Learn<br>
>> backup methods from mondo to bacula.<br>
>><br>
>> Use your local teachers as resources for extra experience. Ask if there is<br>
>> anything you can do to get more exposure. Ask for extra projects or for lab<br>
>> time working with them. Most profs will show a willingness to take on a<br>
>> total newbie if the newbie shows they are _MOTIVATED_TO_LEARN_.<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> On Tue, Dec 27, 2011 at 1:23 PM, Wolf Halton <<a href="mailto:wolf.halton@gmail.com">wolf.halton@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>> On Mon, Dec 26, 2011 at 8:31 PM, Mike Fletcher <<a href="mailto:fletch@phydeaux.org">fletch@phydeaux.org</a>><br>
>>> wrote:<br>
>>>> On Dec 26, 2011, at 17:49, jesse james <<a href="mailto:yoshi_mush_room@yahoo.com">yoshi_mush_room@yahoo.com</a>> wrote:<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> I currently in school trying to get a Bachelor's in IT. I want to be a<br>
>>>> Linux admin. But the every job I see is require at least 5 years experience<br>
>>>> in Red Hat administration. How would I go looking for something that doesn't<br>
>>>> require as much experience like an internship or something that would build<br>
>>>> my experience.<br>
>>>><br>
>>>><br>
>>>> You might check with your campus IT group and see if they have any part<br>
>>>> time openings. Even if they don't have admin openings for students you might<br>
>>>> find an ops position that gets you a foot in the door and contacts with the<br>
>>>> admins.<br>
>>>><br>
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>>> Start building that administration experience by setting up a network at<br>
>>> home, and certainly look for non-profits that might be able to get you in as<br>
>>> a volunteer. Volunteer experience is still experience.<br>
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consumerism or hatred of the vulnerable, then the powerful can do as
they please, and those who survive will be left to contemplate the
outcome.<br>- <i><i><i><i>2011 Noam Chomsky<br><br><a href="http://heretothereideas.blogspot.com/" target="_blank">http://heretothereideas.blogspot.com/</a><br></i></i></i></i><br>