<p>Postgis is another shining example of why eventually all surviving code will be open source!<br>
If Esri didn't pull crap like Apple did and practically give away their stuff to college uses, they would never gain enough support at government levels to sell it to those government buyers.<br>
Esri's worst nightmare is full backing of Postgis and tools in RedHat :-)</p>
<div class="gmail_quote">On Dec 15, 2011 5:13 PM, "Charles Shapiro" <<a href="mailto:hooterpincher@gmail.com">hooterpincher@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br type="attribution"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
Shrug. Okay. Phar be it from me to start a flame war. Even Hitler and the Nazis didn't like those!<br><br>I am using postGIS & QGIS on a daily basis at my current job, and I can attest that they are well-designed and easy to use, and they produce accurate, repeatable results in formats which are compatible with most other mapping software. From what I am hearing, none of these things are true of the fantastically expensive alternative.<br>
<br>-- CHS<br><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Dec 15, 2011 at 10:55 AM, Jim Kinney <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:jim.kinney@gmail.com" target="_blank">jim.kinney@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<p>Only because the client code will run on Linux and they do the promo only once a year and they are subscribed and I only kill the list in a flame war. People ask for help from ale on winders problems as well.<br>
Arcgis is insufficient compared to the open tools like gissgrass and open map server.</p><div><div>
<div class="gmail_quote">On Dec 15, 2011 9:47 AM, "Charles Shapiro" <<a href="mailto:hooterpincher@gmail.com" target="_blank">hooterpincher@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br type="attribution"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
Why are these people pushing proprietary garbaggio like ARCGIS on an open source mailing list? PostGIS ( <a href="http://postgis.refractions.net/" target="_blank">http://postgis.refractions.net/</a> ) and QGIS ( <a href="http://postgis.refractions.net/" target="_blank">http://postgis.refractions.net/</a> ) are free, open, and accurate. What they don't tell you about ARCGIS is that it cannot store geographic information accurately -- every time you bring up a map, the points on that map will have moved randomly by as much as a couple of meters. This is an inherent limitation of ARCGIS buried deep in the software and is unlikely to be fixed in the near future. The open alternatives do not suffer from this trouble.<br>
<br>-- CHS<br><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Dec 13, 2011 at 1:49 PM, Gina Clemmer, New Urban Research <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:nur@urban-research.info" target="_blank">nur@urban-research.info</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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<p style="margin:0in 0in 0pt;background:white"><span style="font-family:'Arial','sans-serif';color:black;font-size:10pt">We will be teaching two versions of our GIS Essentials™ Workshop, a tele-class -- which can be taken from anywhere -- and a live workshop offered in various locations.</span></p>
<p style="margin:0in 0in 0pt;background:white"><span style="font-family:'Arial','sans-serif';color:black;font-size:10pt"><br></span><span style="font-family:'Arial','sans-serif';color:black;font-size:14pt">GIS Essentials™ Workshop - Live One Day Class</span></p>
<p style="margin:0in 0in 0pt;background:white"><b><span style="font-family:'Arial','sans-serif';color:black;font-size:10pt">Cities include:</span></b><span style="font-family:'Arial','sans-serif';color:black;font-size:10pt"> Los Angeles, Austin, Phoenix, San Francisco, Chicago, Portland, Honolulu and Seattle</span></p>
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<p style="margin:0in 0in 0pt;background:white"><span style="font-family:'Arial','sans-serif';color:black;font-size:10pt">This one-day workshop is designed to teach essential GIS (Geographic Information System) skills as indicated by a survey of 500 GIS professionals. The workshop focuses on teaching the fundamentals of ArcGIS with updated information on accessing and mapping 2010 Census data. Government agencies, non-profits and universities will find the workshop particularly relevant. Gina Clemmer, author of the book The GIS 20: Essential Skills published by ESRI Press, will teach these workshops.</span></p>
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<p style="margin:0in 0in 0pt;background:white"><span style="font-family:'Arial','sans-serif';color:black;font-size:10pt">Registration: $595 (Includes class fee, light breakfast, lunch and a copy of the book The GIS 20: Essential Skills)<br>
Software: ArcGIS 10/10.1</span></p>
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<p style="margin:0in 0in 0pt;background:white"><span style="font-family:'Arial','sans-serif';color:black;font-size:10pt">This is a monthly series of tele-classes taught on Mondays and Wednesdays, via phone. Student<b>s</b> must have ArcGIS setup on their desktop, or we can help arrange a 60 day trial version of the software.<b> </b></span></p>
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<p style="margin:0in 0in 0pt;background:white"><span style="font-family:'Arial','sans-serif';color:black;font-size:10pt">Registration Fee: $1,000 (Includes 20 exercises over 16 hours of instruction, 8, two-hour class sessions, and a copy of the book The GIS 20: Essential Skills.)</span></p>
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<p style="margin:0in 0in 0pt;background:white"><span style="font-family:'Arial','sans-serif';color:black;font-size:10pt">Dates/Times: Mondays and Wednesdays monthly - 10 am - 12 pm PST (1:00 pm - 3:00 pm EST). </span></p>
<p style="margin:0in 0in 0pt;background:white"><span style="font-family:'Arial','sans-serif';color:black;font-size:10pt">*Note: All classes are recorded and available to students for review after class.</span></p>
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Let us come to you. We can teach a customized GIS workshop at your location. Many find this to be a more cost effective solution if they have more than four people who would like to receive GIS training. <br><br>Fee: $4,000 (this is a flat fee that includes ten books.)<br>
Additional books are $20 per book. No additional expenses will be incurred. Client must have a computer lab available to receive this pricing. If a lab is not available and you are still interested in a custom class, please contact us directly for pricing.<br>
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<br>ESRI will release version 10.1 in early 2012. Although the look and feel of 10.1 will be the same as 10, the<b> </b>new software will feature improved integration with ArcGIS Online and better sharing and publishing capabilities. Here's a summary of the new features <a href="http://p.ss31.nur-online.com/sendlink.asp?HitID=1323801506151&StID=15089&SID=0&NID=748499&EmID=7975350&Link=aHR0cDovL3d3dy5lc3JpLmNvbS9zb2Z0d2FyZS9hcmNnaXMvYXJjZ2lzMTAvd2hhdHMtY29taW5nL2ZlYXR1cmVzLmh0bWwjZjE%3D&token=a4076b09e9563e283d8c238ef4a1392c12370d30" target="_blank">http://www.esri.com/software/arcgis/arcgis10/whats-coming/features.html#f1</a>. If your organization's maintenance is up to date, you will automatically receive the updated software.</span></p>
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<p style="margin:0in 0in 0pt;background:white"><span style="font-family:'Arial','sans-serif';color:black;font-size:10pt">ArcGIS Home Edition: ESRI has introduced a new licensing level for non-commercial home use with a price point of $100 per year. To order, or for more info, visit <a href="http://p.ss31.nur-online.com/sendlink.asp?HitID=1323801506151&StID=15089&SID=0&NID=748499&EmID=7975350&Link=aHR0cDovL3d3dy5lc3JpLmNvbS9hcmNnaXMtZm9yLWhvbWU%3D&token=a4076b09e9563e283d8c238ef4a1392c12370d30" target="_blank">http://www.esri.com/arcgis-for-home</a>.</span></p>
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<p style="margin:0in 0in 0pt;background:white"><span style="font-family:'Arial','sans-serif';color:black;font-size:10pt">Educational pricing: ESRI provides educational licenses for students, faculty and staff of educational institutions. If you order through New Urban Research, the price is $300 per license. To get a quote, visit <a href="http://p.ss31.nur-online.com/sendlink.asp?HitID=1323801506151&StID=15089&SID=0&NID=748499&EmID=7975350&Link=aHR0cDovL3d3dy5udXItb25saW5lLmNvbS9zb2Z0d2FyZQ%3D%3D&token=a4076b09e9563e283d8c238ef4a1392c12370d30" target="_blank">http://www.nur-online.com/software</a> and check the License(s) for School (K-12/College) box and then the Update Quote button.</span></p>
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<p style="margin:0in 0in 0pt;background:white"><span style="font-family:'Arial','sans-serif';color:black;font-size:10pt"><br>The GIS 20: Essential Skills, ESRI Press, $39.95</span></p>
<p style="margin:0in 0in 0pt;background:white"><span style="font-family:'Arial','sans-serif';color:black;font-size:10pt">The GIS 20 is a no-nonsense workbook that demonstrates how to perform 20 essential GIS skills as indicated by 500 GIS practitioners. <br>
Written for professionals with no time for classroom training, this book can be used as a weekly self-assignment or as a quick reference guide<b>.</b> <br>Each chapter offers a handy checklist of basic functions and steps covered in the text, as well as executive level summaries of how each function is commonly applied to various types of analysis. To order, visit <a href="http://p.ss31.nur-online.com/sendlink.asp?HitID=1323801506151&StID=15089&SID=0&NID=748499&EmID=7975350&Link=aHR0cDovL3d3dy5udXItb25saW5lLmNvbS9naXMyMF9lc3NlbnRpYWxfc2tpbGxz&token=a4076b09e9563e283d8c238ef4a1392c12370d30" target="_blank">http://www.nur-online.com/gis20_essential_skills</a>.</span></p>
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