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Jim,<br>
<br>
You're right about OpenJDK. I could have that up and running within a
few minutes using the package manager. There is one reason I may
choose to / have to go through the pain of implementing the manual
Oracle Java update procedure I was griping about. I live in both the
Linux and Windows worlds. I do things on each system that are hard or
impossible to do on the other. So, I routinely dual boot my systems.
I and some friends are about to start plodding through one of the major
Java programming books as a learning experience. The book is
specifically written for Windows and the Oracle JRE / JDK, as most
books are. I need the examples to all work on both platforms. I think
I'm OK on Linux with the Oracle JRE / JDK. I doubt if OpenJDK will
work properly for everything I need to do. Also, OpenJDK is not
available for Windows as far as I can tell. So, I haven't found a good
clean solution.<br>
<br>
Sincerely,<br>
<br>
Ron<br>
<br>
On 11/5/2011 8:56 PM, Jim Kinney wrote:
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cite="mid:CAEo=5PyO4=yGNNsbjq0fiecR15qktDq-WAh1-=8_-DCWpucBcg@mail.gmail.com"
type="cite">Oracle is not Sun. <br>
<br>
So time for a very careful process followed by a history dump to
automate the other machines.<br>
<br>
This is a PRIME example of why closed-source code is bad for
open-source environments.<br>
<br>
Sorry you're having such a non-fun experience. I wish the open-jre were
more capable but it does work for about 95% of what I see.<br>
<br>
Fedora ships with<br>
java-1.5.0-gcj-1.5.0.0-35.fc15.x86_64<br>
java-1.6.0-openjdk-1.6.0.0-60.1.10.4.fc15.x86_64<br>
<br>
so poke around your distro for similar. That will solve the
auto-upgrade issue.<br>
<br>
<div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Nov 5, 2011 at 6:33 PM, Ron Frazier <span
dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:atllinuxenthinfo@c3energy.com">atllinuxenthinfo@c3energy.com</a>></span>
wrote:<br>
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style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">Followup.
Warning ... ranting follows.<br>
<br>
<rant on><br>
<br>
<jumping up and down on the table><br>
<screaming things that cannot be printed or said in mixed company><br>
<throwing any non essential breakable objects against the wall><br>
<br>
These are things I'm seriously tempted to be doing. But, in reality, I<br>
may just go get some unhealthy food that involves lots of sugar or lots<br>
of carbohydrates.<br>
<br>
It seems that there are no longer any Sun Java packages in any PPA's<br>
that are current or will be updated. Apparently due to some licensing<br>
garbage or something.<br>
<br>
I just finished spending an hour reading through a 14 PAGE printed howto<br>
document telling me how to uninstall old Sun Java from Ubuntu and<br>
reinstall the new version and how to do the same thing EVERY time there<br>
is an update. ( If you're interested, here's the procedure:<br>
<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://sites.google.com/site/easylinuxtipsproject/java"
target="_blank">https://sites.google.com/site/easylinuxtipsproject/java</a>
) While I<br>
appreciate the publisher of the web page making this available, my<br>
general response is YOU GOTTA BE KIDDING! Now I get to spend HALF an<br>
HOUR on EVERY COMPUTER updating Java EVERY TIME there is an UPDATE!!!<br>
Oh, and there are 3 other commands I have to repeat for each user login<br>
on the machine. There's NO STINKING WAY an AVERAGE user can do this<br>
without throwing in the towel, even if they were willing to. I'm not<br>
average, so I can certainly do it, ASSUMING I'm willing to, which is<br>
highly questionable. This is totally insane. This particular procedure<br>
is MUCH MUCH harder than Windows. To update Java in Windows, I go to<br>
Java page, click a link to check my version, click a link to download<br>
the new one, save it, execute it, and answer a question or two. DONE, 5<br>
MINUTES FLAT, for ALL USERS on the machine. If that fails, I MAY have to<br>
spend another 10 minutes finding the stand alone installer and executing<br>
that.<br>
<br>
I'm not blaming anyone necessarily reading this, unless you work for the<br>
Java team at Oracle. However, since I didn't necessarily want to break<br>
all the nearby dishes I can get my hands on, I decided to blow off steam<br>
on the message board. I recently had a similar unhappy experience with<br>
an ATI video card. What I will say, to anyone with any influence who's<br>
listening, is that every time an experience like this happens to a<br>
person who's not a super duper geek, it drives them away from the Linux<br>
platform, not toward it.<br>
<br>
yada yada so on and so forth<br>
<br>
Time for a DQ Blizzard with Reece Cups and supper. Then, I'll see if I<br>
can successfully implement this insane procedure. There goes a good part<br>
of my evening.<br>
<br>
<rant off><br>
<br>
Sincerely,<br>
<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br>
Ron<br>
</font></span>
<div class="im HOEnZb"><br>
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(PS - If you email me and don't get a quick response, you might want to
call on the phone. I get about 300 emails per day from alternate energy
mailing lists and such. I don't always see new messages very quickly.)
Ron Frazier
770-205-9422 (O) Leave a message.
linuxdude AT c3energy.com
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