Oracle is not Sun. <br><br>So time for a very careful process followed by a history dump to automate the other machines.<br><br>This is a PRIME example of why closed-source code is bad for open-source environments.<br><br>
Sorry you're having such a non-fun experience. I wish the open-jre were more capable but it does work for about 95% of what I see.<br><br>Fedora ships with<br>java-1.5.0-gcj-1.5.0.0-35.fc15.x86_64<br>java-1.6.0-openjdk-1.6.0.0-60.1.10.4.fc15.x86_64<br>
<br>so poke around your distro for similar. That will solve the auto-upgrade issue.<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Nov 5, 2011 at 6:33 PM, Ron Frazier <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:atllinuxenthinfo@c3energy.com">atllinuxenthinfo@c3energy.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">Followup. Warning ... ranting follows.<br>
<br>
<rant on><br>
<br>
<jumping up and down on the table><br>
<screaming things that cannot be printed or said in mixed company><br>
<throwing any non essential breakable objects against the wall><br>
<br>
These are things I'm seriously tempted to be doing. But, in reality, I<br>
may just go get some unhealthy food that involves lots of sugar or lots<br>
of carbohydrates.<br>
<br>
It seems that there are no longer any Sun Java packages in any PPA's<br>
that are current or will be updated. Apparently due to some licensing<br>
garbage or something.<br>
<br>
I just finished spending an hour reading through a 14 PAGE printed howto<br>
document telling me how to uninstall old Sun Java from Ubuntu and<br>
reinstall the new version and how to do the same thing EVERY time there<br>
is an update. ( If you're interested, here's the procedure:<br>
<a href="https://sites.google.com/site/easylinuxtipsproject/java" target="_blank">https://sites.google.com/site/easylinuxtipsproject/java</a> ) While I<br>
appreciate the publisher of the web page making this available, my<br>
general response is YOU GOTTA BE KIDDING! Now I get to spend HALF an<br>
HOUR on EVERY COMPUTER updating Java EVERY TIME there is an UPDATE!!!<br>
Oh, and there are 3 other commands I have to repeat for each user login<br>
on the machine. There's NO STINKING WAY an AVERAGE user can do this<br>
without throwing in the towel, even if they were willing to. I'm not<br>
average, so I can certainly do it, ASSUMING I'm willing to, which is<br>
highly questionable. This is totally insane. This particular procedure<br>
is MUCH MUCH harder than Windows. To update Java in Windows, I go to<br>
Java page, click a link to check my version, click a link to download<br>
the new one, save it, execute it, and answer a question or two. DONE, 5<br>
MINUTES FLAT, for ALL USERS on the machine. If that fails, I MAY have to<br>
spend another 10 minutes finding the stand alone installer and executing<br>
that.<br>
<br>
I'm not blaming anyone necessarily reading this, unless you work for the<br>
Java team at Oracle. However, since I didn't necessarily want to break<br>
all the nearby dishes I can get my hands on, I decided to blow off steam<br>
on the message board. I recently had a similar unhappy experience with<br>
an ATI video card. What I will say, to anyone with any influence who's<br>
listening, is that every time an experience like this happens to a<br>
person who's not a super duper geek, it drives them away from the Linux<br>
platform, not toward it.<br>
<br>
yada yada so on and so forth<br>
<br>
Time for a DQ Blizzard with Reece Cups and supper. Then, I'll see if I<br>
can successfully implement this insane procedure. There goes a good part<br>
of my evening.<br>
<br>
<rant off><br>
<br>
Sincerely,<br>
<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br>
Ron<br>
</font></span><div class="im HOEnZb"><br>
<br>
On 11/05/2011 09:02 AM, Ron Frazier wrote:<br>
</div><div class="HOEnZb"><div class="h5">> Hi all,<br>
><br>
> I've been going through my routine pc maintenance procedures, updating<br>
> everything which connects to the internet for every login on every<br>
> computer, checking security settings, doing backups and such. One of<br>
> the things I'm trying to get away from by using Linux is the Windows<br>
> pattern of having to update everything in the system manually, which is<br>
> very time consuming. I'm running Ubuntu 10.04, and, for the most part,<br>
> the Apt / Synaptic package manager system handles the updates. I have<br>
> two anomalies that are really bugging me.<br>
><br>
> First is LibreOffice. I have the following PPA installed:<br>
><br>
> <a href="http://ppa.launchpad.net/libreoffice/ppa/ubuntu" target="_blank">http://ppa.launchpad.net/libreoffice/ppa/ubuntu</a><br>
><br>
> I check on the <a href="http://www.libreoffice.org/" target="_blank">http://www.libreoffice.org/</a> website and the latest<br>
> version is 3.4.3. However, the latest version in my package manager is<br>
> 3.3.2.<br>
><br>
> Second is the Sun / Oracle JRE. I have the following PPA installed:<br>
><br>
> <a href="http://ppa.launchpad.net/sun-java-community-team/sun-java6/ubuntu" target="_blank">http://ppa.launchpad.net/sun-java-community-team/sun-java6/ubuntu</a><br>
><br>
> At the moment, I don't really want to debate the merits of the Sun /<br>
> Oracle JRE versus OpenJDK. I need the Sun / Oracle version so it will<br>
> be fully compatible with a Java programming book I'm going to be going<br>
> through. The latest recommended version of the Sun / Oracle JRE is<br>
> 6-29. The latest version in my package manager is 6-26. A little<br>
> Googling around seems to indicate that they've completely removed the<br>
> Sun / Oracle product from the repositories and PPA's.<br>
><br>
> This is very frustrating. The accepted procedure seems to be a VERY<br>
> long and tedious manual uninstall and reinstall process, much longer<br>
> than in Windows. And, I still wouldn't get auto updates. So, the next<br>
> time things are updated again, I'll have to do all of this again.<br>
><br>
> Does anyone know how I can install LibreOffice 3.4.3 and the Sun /<br>
> Oracle JRE 6-29 and possibly the JDK, through the package manager, and<br>
> get full auto updates? Any help is greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance.<br>
><br>
> Sincerely,<br>
><br>
> Ron<br>
><br>
><br>
<br>
--<br>
<br>
(PS - If you email me and don't get a quick response, you might want to<br>
call on the phone. I get about 300 emails per day from alternate energy<br>
mailing lists and such. I don't always see new messages very quickly.)<br>
<br>
Ron Frazier<br>
<br>
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