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I think the introduction is totally appropriate and you're in good company here...<BR>
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I too am a daily driver of Linux with one Acer Travelmate and two desktops in the house on 11.04. One additional desktop is 10.10 with none of them dual-booting. We've taken the Linux oath. The only Microsoft product that we use (my wife, my youngest sons and I) is for (in my case) a VM where I do work on a project that I use CorelDraw 10 and (for my wife) two XP boxes (one is her's that is a Windows only h/w mix and a second version of the same that belongs to a client - their proprietary equipment). Our eldest is okay with Linux but wants to be able to play Windows-based games so he's still running XP.<BR>
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I cannot say that I'm an Ubuntu fanboy but I do lead a group that refurbishes laptops with Ubuntu to be re-purposed into the mission field for Christian missionaries, teachers and ministers. So I guess in some ways I am a fanboy...but my enthusiasm is for Linux.<BR>
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Good points on Gnome but being as this is a community effort I hope that we'll see developers sticking to support of Gnome 2 for a time to come. RinL<BR>
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<B>Reply-to</B>: Atlanta Linux Enthusiasts <ale@ale.org><BR>
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<B>Subject</B>: Re: [ale] phoronix.com: Ubuntu 12.04 LTS Desktop To Be Supported Longer (5 Years)<BR>
<B>Date</B>: Sat, 22 Oct 2011 21:25:45 -0400<BR>
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David, Rich (and anyone else reading this):<BR>
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Yeah I think I came across as a bit more of a Ubuntu fanboy than I actually am. I've got two machines (without getting into all the specs at the moment), a Dell XPS M1530 laptop that's my main machine, as well as a Lenovo H215 desktop that functions a bit more as my sandbox. The Lenovo desktop is duel boot Ubuntu 11.04 (classic Gnome 2.32.1) and Windows 7 Home, the Dell laptop duel boot Debian 6 (Squeeze - stable .. Gnome 2,30.2), as well as Windows 7 Professional ... although at this point I'm natively in Linux on those respective machines about 99%/95% of the time, and I'll fire up Windows XP in Virtualbox if I wanna watch Netflix or need to M$ Office 2007 instead of Libreoffice. <BR>
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And the Debian on the Dell laptop is a very deliberate choice after discovering multiple versions of Ubuntu had GPU lockups in Gnome (although I could still Cntl-Alt-F1 and get to a terminal and handle the situation). I suspect that the GPU lockups were related to Compiz, however in Debian Squeeze I am using Compiz and the most amazing thing to me is after initially booting up before launching any apps, the RAM footprint is a very lean 230MiB (and w/o Compiz 200MiB). A full 1 GiB < Windows 7, and even through I've got 6 GiBs RAM on it, it's nice to have all those resources available for my VMs in Virtualbox. <BR>
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About the only bug I've found in the stock Gnome 2.30.2 is I do some cut and pasting from PDFs from time to time, and in a multiple column PDF the stock Evine 2.30.x has a bug that overlaps the multiple columns in a PDF when I attempt to select-cut-paste from it, however pulling in the Evince 2.32.x from Debian Testing it works like a champ. I think if I were to make a custom fork it would be Debian Squeeze with Gnome 2.32.x. I did briefly this week now that Gnome 3 had migrated from Debian Experimental -> Sid try an upgrade to Sid natively on that Dell ... only to have Xorg hitting 100% CPU (which I suspect is a combination of Xorg + the Nvidia 280 drivers (the card is Nvidia 8600M GT). I suspect the 100% CPU problem would have been solved by using the open-source Nouveau Gallium 3d drivers for Nvidia, however I've encountered high fans speeds for the CPU/GPU fan that I suspect the fan control is lacking in the Nouveau drivers (however in the Mesa 7.12 branch in development that I think is the 3d part, I think Nouveau is getting that fan speed functionally into the drivers. Oh the other nice thing about Debian Squeeze on that Dell laptop, much of the time the processing load is so low the fan is either at 0 rpm or low. After briefly trying out Sid, used a Clonezilla image and I'm back in Squeeze :)<BR>
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Brief introduction since I've been on this mailing list (and ale jobs) for several months now. I'm Don Kramer. Spent the good portion of the last decade in the Global IT division at Coca-Cola in production support. Although to some degree I've been involved with Linux as early as the late 90s with Red Hat 5.2 and Caldera OpenLinux (and remember the joys of having to recompile the kernel just to get sound working on my Packard Bell at the time) ... more recently Linux has breathed new life in my passion for IT. I am taking the CompTIA+ Linux+ exams next month for certification, and I am very interested in entry/intermediate/junior level positions as a (but not limited to) Linux Systems Administrator. I hope my brief introduction is appropriate for the board. <BR>
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On Sat, Oct 22, 2011 at 8:50 PM, David Tomaschik <<A HREF="mailto:david@systemoverlord.com">david@systemoverlord.com</A>> wrote:
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Interesting development and a wise move (IMHO). But speaking from my own narrow opinion, I am not a fan of Unity nor Gnome 3 nor KDE or Xfce. I'm rather partial to Gnome 2 and am quite happy with that. I liked Fedora and I really like Ubuntu but more and more find myself wondering if I'm going to be custom building my own fork of Ubuntu to get what I want or go to Mint. Am I the only one thinking this way or are others like me and happy with the desktop classic? Perhaps a well placed email to Canonical asking for a choice at installation for which desktop we want? Is such a thing feasible? Perhaps not in a CD release but certainly in a DVD image?<BR>
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The biggest problem you're likely to run into with this is the fact that there's nobody maintaining Gnome 2. All new development out of the Gnome project is focused on Gnome 3. I imagine it won't be too long until many applications have switched to GTK 3 for their toolkit, but maybe I'm wrong.<BR>
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<B>Reply-to</B>: Atlanta Linux Enthusiasts <A HREF="mailto:ale@ale.org"><ale@ale.org></A><BR>
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<B>Subject</B>: [ale] <A HREF="http://phoronix.com">phoronix.com</A>: Ubuntu 12.04 LTS Desktop To Be Supported Longer (5 Years)<BR>
<B>Date</B>: Sat, 22 Oct 2011 17:06:40 -0400<BR>
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I think this is big news on the desktop front: Starting with Ubuntu 12.04's April 2012 release, Canonical's support for the desktop release will be five years (which they've already been doing for the server edition) instead of three. <BR>
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<A HREF="http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTAwNDE">http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTAwNDE</A><BR>
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And for you Gnome 3 haters, since for Ubuntu 10.04 the LTS three year support cycle also included the KDE version (Kubuntu 10.04 LTS) and the Xfce version (Xubuntu 10.04 LTS), hopefully the five year support cycle will include those too, as well as the newest official Ubuntu derived distro .. Lubuntu with the LXDE desktop. <BR>
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I switched to Debian Squeeze as my primary distro (from Ubuntu) this year, but this development may make me reconsider Ubuntu. <BR>
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