David, Rich (and anyone else reading this):<br><br>Yeah I think I came across as a bit more of a Ubuntu fanboy than I
actually am. I've got two machines (without getting into all the specs
at the moment), a Dell XPS M1530 laptop that's my main machine, as well
as a Lenovo H215 desktop that functions a bit more as my sandbox. The
Lenovo desktop is duel boot Ubuntu 11.04 (classic Gnome 2.32.1) and
Windows 7 Home, the Dell laptop duel boot Debian 6 (Squeeze - stable ..
Gnome 2,30.2), as well as Windows 7 Professional ... although at this
point I'm natively in Linux on those respective machines about 99%/95% of the time, and
I'll fire up Windows XP in Virtualbox if I wanna watch Netflix or need
to M$ Office 2007 instead of Libreoffice. <br>
<br>
And the Debian on the Dell laptop is a very deliberate choice after
discovering multiple versions of Ubuntu had GPU lockups in Gnome
(although I could still Cntl-Alt-F1 and get to a terminal and handle the situation). I suspect
that the GPU lockups were related to Compiz, however in Debian Squeeze I
am using Compiz and the most amazing thing to me is after initially
booting up before launching any apps, the RAM footprint is a very lean
230MiB (and w/o Compiz 200MiB). A full 1 GiB < Windows 7, and even
through I've got 6 GiBs RAM on it, it's nice to have all those resources
available for my VMs in Virtualbox. <br>
<br>
About the only bug I've found in the stock Gnome 2.30.2 is I do some cut
and pasting from PDFs from time to time, and in a multiple column PDF
the stock Evine 2.30.x has a bug that overlaps the multiple columns in a PDF
when I attempt to select-cut-paste from it, however pulling in the
Evince 2.32.x from Debian Testing it works like a champ. I think if I
were to make a custom fork it would be Debian Squeeze with Gnome
2.32.x. I did briefly this week now that Gnome 3 had migrated from
Debian Experimental -> Sid try an upgrade to Sid natively on that
Dell ... only to have Xorg hitting 100% CPU (which I suspect is a
combination of Xorg + the Nvidia 280 drivers (the card is Nvidia 8600M
GT). I suspect the 100% CPU problem would have been solved by using the
open-source Nouveau Gallium 3d drivers for Nvidia, however I've
encountered high fans speeds for the CPU/GPU fan that I suspect the fan
control is lacking in the Nouveau drivers (however in the Mesa 7.12
branch in development that I think is the 3d part, I think Nouveau is
getting that fan speed functionally into the drivers. Oh the other nice
thing about Debian Squeeze on that Dell laptop, much of the time the
processing load is so low the fan is either at 0 rpm or low. After briefly trying out Sid, used a Clonezilla image and I'm back in Squeeze :)<br>
<br>
Brief introduction since I've been on this mailing list (and ale jobs)
for several months now. I'm Don Kramer. Spent the good portion of the
last decade in the Global IT division at Coca-Cola in production support. Although
to some degree I've been involved with Linux as early as the late 90s
with Red Hat 5.2 and Caldera OpenLinux (and remember the joys of having
to recompile the kernel just to get sound working on my Packard Bell at
the time) ... more recently Linux has breathed new life in my passion
for IT. I am taking the CompTIA+ Linux+ exams next month for
certification, and I am very interested in entry/intermediate/junior
level positions as a (but not limited to) Linux Systems Administrator. I
hope my brief introduction is appropriate for the board. <br>
<br>
Don<br>
-- <br>
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<a href="http://www.donkramer.net/linux">http://www.donkramer.net/linux</a><br><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Oct 22, 2011 at 8:50 PM, David Tomaschik <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:david@systemoverlord.com">david@systemoverlord.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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On 10/22/2011 08:31 PM, Richard Faulkner wrote:
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Interesting development and a wise move (IMHO). But speaking from
my own narrow opinion, I am not a fan of Unity nor Gnome 3 nor KDE
or Xfce. I'm rather partial to Gnome 2 and am quite happy with
that. I liked Fedora and I really like Ubuntu but more and more
find myself wondering if I'm going to be custom building my own
fork of Ubuntu to get what I want or go to Mint. Am I the only
one thinking this way or are others like me and happy with the
desktop classic? Perhaps a well placed email to Canonical asking
for a choice at installation for which desktop we want? Is such a
thing feasible? Perhaps not in a CD release but certainly in a
DVD image?<br>
<br>
Rich in Lilburn<br>
</blockquote>
<br></div>
The biggest problem you're likely to run into with this is the fact
that there's nobody maintaining Gnome 2. All new development out of
the Gnome project is focused on Gnome 3. I imagine it won't be too
long until many applications have switched to GTK 3 for their
toolkit, but maybe I'm wrong.<br>
<br>
David<div class="im"><br>
<br>
<br>
<blockquote type="cite">
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-----Original Message-----<br>
<b>From</b>: Don Kramer <<a href="mailto:Don%20Kramer%20%3cdonkramer@gmail.com%3e" target="_blank">donkramer@gmail.com</a>><br>
<b>Reply-to</b>: Atlanta Linux Enthusiasts <a href="mailto:ale@ale.org" target="_blank"><ale@ale.org></a><br>
<b>To</b>: Atlanta Linux Enthusiasts <<a href="mailto:Atlanta%20Linux%20Enthusiasts%20%3cale@ale.org%3e" target="_blank">ale@ale.org</a>><br>
<b>Subject</b>: [ale] <a href="http://phoronix.com" target="_blank">phoronix.com</a>: Ubuntu 12.04 LTS Desktop To Be
Supported Longer (5 Years)<br>
<b>Date</b>: Sat, 22 Oct 2011 17:06:40 -0400<br>
<br>
I think this is big news on the desktop front: Starting with
Ubuntu 12.04's April 2012 release, Canonical's support for the
desktop release will be five years (which they've already been
doing for the server edition) instead of three. <br>
<br>
<a href="http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTAwNDE" target="_blank">http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTAwNDE</a><br>
<br>
And for you Gnome 3 haters, since for Ubuntu 10.04 the LTS three
year support cycle also included the KDE version (Kubuntu 10.04
LTS) and the Xfce version (Xubuntu 10.04 LTS), hopefully the five
year support cycle will include those too, as well as the newest
official Ubuntu derived distro .. Lubuntu with the LXDE desktop. <br>
<br>
I switched to Debian Squeeze as my primary distro (from Ubuntu)
this year, but this development may make me reconsider Ubuntu. <br>
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David Tomaschik, RHCE, LPIC-1
System Administrator/Open Source Advocate
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