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Chuck,<br>
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Thanks for all the info. See comments in line below.<br>
<br>
Sincerely,<br>
<br>
Ron<br>
<br>
On 6/24/2011 7:23 PM, Chuck Peters wrote:
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Jun 24, 2011 at 3:49 PM, Ron Frazier
<span dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:atllinuxenthinfo@c3energy.com">atllinuxenthinfo@c3energy.com</a>></span>
wrote:<br>
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style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">This
thread's a bit old but I thought I'd throw in my 2 cents. The guys<br>
over at the Going Linux podcast <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.goinglinux.com/" target="_blank">http://www.goinglinux.com/</a>
seem to say,<br>
from accounts from listeners, to not do upgrades. </blockquote>
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<div>Upgrades can break things, and new installs can be broken as
well. Usually a little problem solving will fix either case. If it
is important to you or a production system, upgrades or new installs
should be tested prior to making changes.</div>
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</div>
<div>If a user has problems with an upgrade, it often has something
to do with user profile settings. In that case just move the profile
or delete it. For example firefox settings are in ~/.mozilla,
openoffice is in ~.<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://openoffice.org">openoffice.org</a> and libreoffice in
.libreoffice etc... Or you can spend more time and figure out whatever
it is in the profile and fix it, and that usually isn't worth the time.</div>
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<div>Profile settings, as well as flash cookies and the browser cache
and cookies can sometimes get foobarred. A couple recent problems I
helped users with were dolphin, the KDE file manager and gmail.
Deleting the dolphin profile and deleting the browser cookies and
cache fixed them.</div>
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style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">Later,
I installed Ubuntu 10.04 with a fresh<br>
install by wiping out the Linux partition and am still using it. I've<br>
noticed the upgrade to 10.10 prompt but haven't bitten the hook. </blockquote>
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<div>That doesn't sound right, if you installed LTS you should not be
prompted for an upgrade until the next LTS.</div>
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<div>What does your /etc/update-manager/release-upgrades contain?</div>
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<div>
<div>root@darwin:~# cat /etc/update-manager/release-upgrades</div>
<div># Default behavior for the release upgrader.</div>
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</div>
<div>[DEFAULT]</div>
<div># Default prompting behavior, valid options:</div>
<div>#</div>
<div># never - Never check for a new release.</div>
<div># normal - Check to see if a new release is available. If more
than one new</div>
<div># release is found, the release upgrader will attempt
to upgrade to</div>
<div># the release that immediately succeeds the
currently-running</div>
<div># release.</div>
<div># lts - Check to see if a new LTS release is available. The
upgrader</div>
<div># will attempt to upgrade to the first LTS release
available after</div>
<div># the currently-running one. Note that this option
should not be</div>
<div># used if the currently-running release is not itself
an LTS</div>
<div># release, since in that case the upgrader won't be
able to</div>
<div># determine if a newer release is available.</div>
<div>Prompt=lts</div>
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Actually, I changed the setting from LTS to normal in the Synaptic
preferences screen. I didn't know you could upgrade from LTS to LTS.<br>
<br>
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style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">For
me, fresh<br>
installs, regardless of being Windows or Linux, are very tedious,<br>
because there are many dozens of little settings and tweaks to the<br>
system that I do, plus installing user apps, that take about a week to<br>
get through. I don't like doing them. </blockquote>
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<div>Did you know about the dpkg --get-selections and
--set-selections?</div>
<div>It may not be the best thing to use directly when an upgrade is
involved, but it can help get a system back where it was when
reinstalling.</div>
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<br>
I wasn't familiar with that. Can you elaborate some, or point me to a
reference on it? Sounds interesting. Many of the tweaks I mention are
related to configuring security settings and applications. I'm going
to elaborate on that in a post I'll enter shortly on securing a
computer. I don't know how much of this can be automated, but I'm
always willing to consider new options.<br>
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style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">So,
for now, I'm still with<br>
10.04. There are two other reasons I'm not upgrading. Firefox 4, which<br>
broke almost all my nice status bar apps when I installed it on Windows,<br>
so I immediately reverted back to the older version. </blockquote>
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<div>Firefox 4 had its last release, now you can try FF5 which has
bug fixes and security updates for FF4. And the Mozilla folks have a
meeting next week to try and decide how long they will support the 3.6
series. I think the Mozilla people are doing a great job at confusing
users...</div>
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I guess I'll move to FF5 when they force me to. I'm still on 3.6.18.
I keep saying No Thanks to the Upgrade Now prompt. It took me days to
retrograde my Windows machines and get my plugins working again after I
made the mistake of upgrading to 4.0 on them. I really did not like
the changes they made at all.<br>
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<div>One thing I would like to know is, and I haven't found an easy
solution, how I can run both firefox 3.6 with my old profile and the
new firefox 5 and not have the profiles step over each other. From
what I have learned thus far it looks like I will have to get into the
source, tweak it and build customized packages. And what is
most aggravating about that is modifying the Ubuntu packages and
redistributing them could be illegal without further modifications due
to the Mozilla Trademark and their failure to reply to my inquiry about
the trademark licensing. Debian has good reasons for
%s/renaming/calling/ firefox iceweasel... </div>
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I'm afraid I have no idea how to do what you describe, other than
running Firefox in a VM, or another user account.<br>
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style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"> Then,
there's also<br>
Unity, which I ranted about before.<br>
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<div>Then use the old Gnome now called "Ubuntu Classic" or KDE. It
was the first production release of Unity, I think it will be a lot
better by the next LTS in April 2012. I use KDE mostly and other than
the crashes the one thing I don't like about Unity is how it works when
one changes the focus to follow the mouse. </div>
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I never got far enough into it to try, or even know about, any of
that. I was just booting a Live CD to verify that it had burned
correctly. Unity came up and I immediately hated it on several
levels. I guess I'll get around to trying some of that, but for now,
I'm just sticking with Ubuntu 10.04.<br>
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<div>Chuck</div>
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