Hah! You left out the "TIF" (Total Intimidation Factor) of watching someone proficient in vim really use the environment.<br><br>I think it was at the point I saw someone split the screen, open a shell, reconnect to an open screen session running ssh to a remote machine and extract a config file and paste it back in the vim doc they were working on that I just totally dropped my jaw. <br>
<br>The _ONLY_ thing I like about the forced screen format of current laptop is I can easily do a vertical split in vim and see two files side by side, one orig and the other working version.<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">
On Sun, Jun 26, 2011 at 9:36 AM, Michael Potter <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:michael@potter.name">michael@potter.name</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
Yet another suggestion for gaining skills in vim:<br>
Watch someone who is good at vim use vim.<br>
<br>
You will not necessarily know what commands they are using, but you<br>
will know what you are aiming for in your learning.<br>
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On Sun, Jun 26, 2011 at 9:26 AM, Jim Kinney <<a href="mailto:jim.kinney@gmail.com">jim.kinney@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
> A suggestion on gaining skills in vim:<br>
><br>
> don't use anything but vim<br>
><br>
> gedit is a good tool for doing cut-n-paste from firefox and the like when<br>
> the goal is to assemble an array of disconnected info to be used in another<br>
> format like LOwriter. But for coding, not so good. (and to think I first<br>
> coded in pico and designed to work around the line-length limits of pico)<br>
><br>
> There is also gvim which is vim with an X-windows environment. Works just<br>
> like vim from a shell but also has menus you can use when you can't recall<br>
> the commands. Importantly, it shows the cli-version commands to use as the<br>
> menu shortcuts so you learn vim.<br>
><br>
> On Sun, Jun 26, 2011 at 1:30 AM, Ron Frazier <<a href="mailto:atllinuxenthinfo@c3energy.com">atllinuxenthinfo@c3energy.com</a>><br>
> wrote:<br>
>><br>
>> JD,<br>
>><br>
>> Thanks for all this info. I'm saving it for the time when I need it.<br>
>> Thanks too, for the offer of help. I may take you up on it at some<br>
>> point. Until I get more thoroughly into VIM, do you know anything about<br>
>> using gedit for editing?<br>
>><br>
>> To the others who've replied to my posting, thank you, whether I<br>
>> personally replied to every one or not.<br>
>><br>
>> Sincerely,<br>
>><br>
>> Ron<br>
>><br>
>> On 6/24/2011 10:33 PM, JD wrote:<br>
>> > On 06/24/2011 05:09 PM, Ron Frazier wrote:<br>
>> ><br>
>> >> Hi Rich,<br>
>> >><br>
>> >> Even though we've discussed some of this on the phone, I thought I'd<br>
>> >> share it with the group.<br>
>> >><br>
>> >> I've been threatening to relearn programming for 15 years, and I'm<br>
>> >> hoping to actually carry out the threat. 15 years ago, I programmed in<br>
>> >> Clipper, a C like database language. I posted a thread a few months<br>
>> >> back on this list talking about developing in C#. However, the people<br>
>> >> here convinced me that C++ would be better. I now hope to plow through<br>
>> >> the book "Programming Principles and Practice Using C++" by Bjarne<br>
>> >> Stroustrup (the inventor of C++). I'm hoping to do cross platform<br>
>> >> development. I'm going to use Visual C++ Express on Windows, which is<br>
>> >> free. On Linux, I've hit on the GCC compiler, as suggested by others.<br>
>> >> I don't know how to use the make system, at this point, but compiling<br>
>> >> small programs with a few source files seems to be very simple. I<br>
>> >> believe you can go through this entire book without an IDE. I know<br>
>> >> that<br>
>> >> the gedit editor in Ubuntu does syntax highlighting and auto indention<br>
>> >> for C / C++ files. I'll probably start out using that. I may also try<br>
>> >> VIM as I've had just enough experience with VI in the past to be<br>
>> >> dangerous. (I basically know the insert, delete line, and write file<br>
>> >> commands.) Obviously, I would have to learn more about VIM for serious<br>
>> >> programming, but you can do a lot with just those commands, although<br>
>> >> not<br>
>> >> very efficiently. By the way, this book also talks about a cross<br>
>> >> platform minimal graphics toolkit called FLTK (faster than light<br>
>> >> toolkit, I think) which can be used to put basic windows and buttons on<br>
>> >> the screen, etc. When I graduate to an IDE, I'll probably try NetBeans<br>
>> >> or Eclipse. I believe Eclipse can run on Windows too.<br>
>> >><br>
>> >><br>
>> > You don't need an IDE and when you are starting out, it complicates and<br>
>> > hides things that you really need to know. You need 3 terminals.<br>
>> ><br>
>> > * Any good syntax highlighting editor in a window (vim, geany, or cough<br>
>> > emacs). Geany does a halstat on functions and classes which is very<br>
>> > useful without all the bloat that java-based IDEs bring.<br>
>> > * in another term, use make<br>
>> > * debugger like gdb or xxgdb if you want a GUI. I haven't done<br>
>> > debugging in years, so does xxgdb still exist?<br>
>> ><br>
>> > You also want to use a version control system. These days I like BZR,<br>
>> > but GIT is useful too.<br>
>> ><br>
>> > Vim is probably the most efficient editor ever created. You just need to<br>
>> > know how to use it. I've used many different editors of all sorts,<br>
>> > brief, spf-edit, emacs, vi, Visual C++, geany, notepad++, eclipse ...<br>
>> > none of them compare to vim in the hands of a power user. I migrated<br>
>> > from emacs to vim when I kept changing into vi-mode to get things done.<br>
>> > Anyway, an editor is a very personal decision and you'll need to pick<br>
>> > the best for yourself.<br>
>> ><br>
>> > You can start with simple bash scripts to build your initial projects.<br>
>> > It isn't like they will be all that large or take more than a few<br>
>> > seconds.<br>
>> > make ... ah, make. tabs matter. Be certain that your editor isn't<br>
>> > "helping you" by replacing tabs with spaces. If that happens, your<br>
>> > Makefile will never work. I think gmake is the default make in Linux,<br>
>> > which is good. It has been more than a few years since I wrote any<br>
>> > makefiles, but if you provide a sample and ask a question, I can help.<br>
>> > I may even have a makefile template around here on an old CD backup from<br>
>> > work ... long ago.<br>
>> ><br>
>> ><br>
>><br>
>> --<br>
>><br>
>> (PS - If you email me and don't get a quick response, you might want to<br>
>> call on the phone. I get about 300 emails per day from alternate energy<br>
>> mailing lists and such. I don't always see new messages very quickly.)<br>
>><br>
>> Ron Frazier<br>
>><br>
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