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    I do take a slight exception to this being called "GIS Essentials"
    when it's really an ESRI customer casting of the net.  I don't buy
    into ESRI/GIS equivalence any more than I buy into Cisco/networking
    equivalence.<br>
    <br>
    On 6/20/11 5:11 PM, Jim Kinney wrote:
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      cite="mid:BANLkTi=piDZoEF8RW69ESW1aYF8cHZ_u5w@mail.gmail.com"
      type="cite">Yes. As long as it's more in the tone of a notice and
      not a barrage of "GIVE US YOUR MONEY" announcements.<br>
      <br>
      And a single notice for an occasional event. And it needs to be at
      least somehow related to Linux (runs on linux works but competes
      with Linux does not - i.e. Microsoft training announcements). If
      RedHat wants to announce a training session for RHCE certificate
      or LPI wants to announce a testing session, sure, it's related.<br>
      <br>
      But then I don't CENSOR the list except to turn off someones
      microphone when they are being abusive. I have no interest (or
      time) to moderate everything that goes on here. I only send
      nasty-grams when people cross the invisible, unmarked line that
      nobody can see but me (and my imaginary friends).<br>
      <br>
      Personally, I wish the training were far less than a kilobuck
      cause I'm interested in GIS stuff but more from the "how do I do
      that ArcGIS thing in GISS-GRASS". So knowing the commercial
      process helps my FLOSS understanding.<br>
      <br>
      <div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Jun 20, 2011 at 4:54 PM,
        Lightner, Jeff <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a moz-do-not-send="true"
            href="mailto:JLightner@water.com">JLightner@water.com</a>&gt;</span>
        wrote:<br>
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              <p class="MsoNormal"><font color="navy" face="Arial"
                  size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family:
                    Arial; color: navy;">So you’re going to allow RedHat
                    training
                    entities and other FOSS organizations to send
                    messages like this?   </span></font></p>
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                  size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family:
                    Arial; color: navy;">This isn’t a special interest
                    notice - it
                    offers a service for a fee and is therefore spam. 
                    If they want to offer free
                    classes then I’d say it should be allowed but that
                    isn’t what she did here.  </span></font></p>
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                <p class="MsoNormal"><b><font face="Tahoma" size="2"><span
                        style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma;
                        font-weight: bold;">From:</span></font></b><font
                    face="Tahoma" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt;
                      font-family: Tahoma;"> <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                        href="mailto:ale-bounces@ale.org"
                        target="_blank">ale-bounces@ale.org</a>
                      [mailto:<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                        href="mailto:ale-bounces@ale.org"
                        target="_blank">ale-bounces@ale.org</a>] <b><span
                          style="font-weight: bold;">On Behalf Of </span></b>Jim
                      Kinney<br>
                      <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b>
                      Monday, June 20, 2011 4:41
                      PM<br>
                      <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b>
                      Atlanta Linux Enthusiasts<br>
                      <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b>
                      Re: [ale] New July GIS
                      Essentials Class - 2010 Census Data Added-SPAM</span></font></p>
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                  <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 12pt;"><font
                      face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span
                        style="font-size: 12pt;">Gina was approved over
                        a
                        year ago to send special interest notices to ALE
                        as they now have Linux-based
                        ArcMAP tools available.<br>
                        <br>
                        We went round this corner already and decided to
                        allow notices like this as she
                        is a subscriber and has sat through the vicious
                        invective spewed from ALE on
                        other off-topic posts.</span></font></p>
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                    <p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman"
                        size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">On Mon,
                          Jun 20, 2011 at 4:13 PM, Lightner, Jeff &lt;<a
                            moz-do-not-send="true"
                            href="mailto:JLightner@water.com"
                            target="_blank">JLightner@water.com</a>&gt;
                          wrote:</span></font></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman"
                        size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">Can the
                          moderator please flog the sender for this
                          SPAM?<br>
                          <br>
                          -----Original Message-----<br>
                          From: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                            href="mailto:ale-bounces@ale.org"
                            target="_blank">ale-bounces@ale.org</a>
                          [mailto:<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                            href="mailto:ale-bounces@ale.org"
                            target="_blank">ale-bounces@ale.org</a>] On
                          Behalf Of Gina<br>
                          Clemmer, New Urban Research<br>
                          Sent: Monday, June 20, 2011 3:17 PM<br>
                          To: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                            href="mailto:ale@ale.org" target="_blank">ale@ale.org</a><br>
                          Subject: [ale] New July GIS Essentials Class -
                          2010 Census Data Added<br>
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                        James P. Kinney III<br>
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                        As long as the general population is passive,
                        apathetic, diverted to
                        consumerism or hatred of the vulnerable, then
                        the powerful can do as they
                        please, and those who survive will be left to
                        contemplate the outcome.<br>
                        - <i><span style="font-style: italic;">2011
                            Noam Chomsky</span></i></span></font></p>
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      -- <br>
      James P. Kinney III<br>
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      As long as the general population is passive, apathetic, diverted
      to consumerism or hatred of the vulnerable, then the powerful can
      do as they please, and those who survive will be left to
      contemplate the outcome.<br>
      - <i><i><i><i>2011 Noam Chomsky</i></i></i></i><br>
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