Jeff,<div><br></div><div>I do agree with your 2nd paragraph, and I did refrain from speaking about what I don't know about. I don't watch much TV, but that is not to say that I NEVER watch TV, I'm just much more a talk radio junkie. My point was only that your post made the claim that Fox held itself out as a conservative news source. To my knowledge they have not made that claim, just that they are "fair and balanced." Granted they are a bit more conservative than most of the other fare available, but I've never heard of them claiming to be "your conservative source for news" or any such equivalent. If I am wrong on that score, I am willing to be set straight.</div>
<div><br></div><div>Also, lets not conflate the commentary shows (Hannity, O'reilly, etc), of which there are a plethora, with the news shows. I think you would be hard put to find any news talking head more fair than, for example, Brit Hume. Based on ratings, it would seem that Fox is eating the liberal channels lunch. Isn't that prima facie evidence that "<span style="color:rgb(0, 0, 128);font-family:Arial;font-size:13px">folks like them."</span> My take is that their popularity is precisely because of their more conservative/balanced slant than that of the competition. Again, if I am wrong, I am open to correction.</div>
<div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, May 2, 2011 at 2:15 PM, Lightner, Jeff <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:jlightner@water.com" target="_blank">jlightner@water.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">So we should base our perception on
advertising especially when it is clear they are neither fair nor balanced in
their reporting? Unlike you I don’t discuss things I haven’t
seen. When FNN first came on the air I watched them for as long as I could
stomach it and periodically check them out as I did last night. In my not so
humble opinion only someone to the right of Pat Buchannan would think them “fair
and balanced”. If folks like them that is their prerogative but
pretending they don’t report from the right wing side of things is
silly. MSNBC reports from the left wing side. CNN at one point seemed more “fair”
and somewhat “balanced” even if left leaning but has since tried to
become FNN because so much of their audience went to FNN and failed miserably
at it.</span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">Nowadays everything is commentary and
trying to actually find news on any of the channels is difficult. Don’t
think I’m a CNN fan either. They are sensationalist as well with so
many of their anchors displaying fake outrage over trivial issues. They also
annoy the hell out of me for having folks like Nancy Grace on pre-judging all
legal issues long before they ever see the inside of a courtroom. CNN pretty
much lost my respect when they jumped on the OJ Simpson bandwagon long before
FNN came into the picture.</span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">For in depth information I go on line. However,
when big stories break the fastest way to get somewhat credible information is
still TV. </span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">Interestingly the first thing I saw on CNN
this morning was a New York Congressman praising Obama’s actions in this
and giving him the credit. The CNN interviewer mentioned the actions of
others in the administration and this guy was quick to point out that if it had
gone wrong nobody would be talking about anyone but Obama so since it went
right Obama deserved the credit. That guy is the most “fair and
balanced” observer I’ve seen in Washington in months.</span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><font size="2" face="Tahoma"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold">From:</span></font></b><font size="2" face="Tahoma"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma">
<a href="mailto:ale-bounces@ale.org" target="_blank">ale-bounces@ale.org</a> [mailto:<a href="mailto:ale-bounces@ale.org" target="_blank">ale-bounces@ale.org</a>] <b><span style="font-weight:bold">On Behalf Of </span></b>Greg Clifton<br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Sent:</span></b> Monday, May 02, 2011 12:58
PM</span></font></p><div><div><font size="2" face="Tahoma"></font></div><div><font size="2" face="Tahoma"><br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">To:</span></b> Atlanta
Linux Enthusiasts<br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Subject:</span></b> Re: [ale] Celebrate -
Usama killed!</font></div></div><p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span><font size="1" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Arial"> <font color="#cc6600"><span style="color:#CC6600">Nice for a channel that likes to pretend it supports
conservative values</span></font><font color="#cc0000"><span style="color:#CC0000">.</span></font></span></font></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">As I recall, the FNN tag line is "Fair AND balanced", I don't
recall any mention of conservative values ever, but then I don't watch much TV.
Sounds like you are creating a "straw man" argument.</span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">On Mon, May 2, 2011 at 10:20 AM, Lightner, Jeff <<a href="mailto:jlightner@water.com" target="_blank">jlightner@water.com</a>> wrote:</span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">"Homicide bombers" is just plain stupid and is an attempt at
a political<br>
correctness that is unnecessary. All bombers that kill people are<br>
"homicide" bombers by definition and "suicide bomber"
merely meant the<br>
dumb@$$ killed himself at the same time as he killed others. Fox<br>
decided that somehow "suicide" meant the idiots were being
"honored" by<br>
other news networks and thereby proved themselves to be idiots instead.<br>
<br>
Do you really suppose the people that support these idiots really give<br>
any credence to how False News Network describes them? No - it is<br>
simply sensationalism masquerading as journalism. I tried to watch FNN<br>
last night to see how they were reporting it compared to CNN but once I<br>
saw Geraldo taking the lead there was no way. Every time I see<br>
"Geraldo at Large" I can't help but think "Why the hell is he
still at<br>
large?" This is the same guy that wrote a memoir (long before Fox
hired<br>
him) in which he claimed to sleep with every woman in the News and<br>
Entertainment industry. Nice for a channel that likes to pretend
it<br>
supports conservative values.<br>
<br>
More interesting to me was that when I went to the broadcast networks<br>
they didn't even have a scroll at the bottom of the screen indicating<br>
the President was about to speak. They did come on by the time he<br>
spoke and may have had bulletins at some point before that but you'd<br>
think they'd have had such a scroll or notice for those who were just<br>
tuning into them.</span></font></p>
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Sent: Monday, May 02, 2011 9:05 AM</span></font></p>
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Subject: Re: [ale] Celebrate - Usama killed!<br>
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Astounding. We went in three emails from Bin Laden is dead to Fox<br>
Sucks. What one has to do with the other is beyond me. After having<br>
watched the breaking news on FNN, I never once saw anybody guess on what<br>
Mr. Obama would say, other than The President is scheduled to speak<br>
soon.<br>
<br>
I don't care what news source you prefer, btw. I am merely objecting to<br>
three emails to go from first post to political/biased/fox sucks.<br>
<br>
I happen to LIKE the description of homicide bomber vs. suicide bomber.<br>
I think Homicide is more honest. Suicide implies other people died as<br>
an after effect of the suicide.<br>
<br>
Am I stupid?<br>
<br>
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Damon Chesser<br>
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From: <a href="mailto:ale-bounces@ale.org" target="_blank">ale-bounces@ale.org</a> [mailto:<a href="mailto:ale-bounces@ale.org" target="_blank">ale-bounces@ale.org</a>] On Behalf Of<br>
Lightner, Jeff<br>
Sent: Monday, May 02, 2011 8:56 AM<br>
To: Atlanta Linux Enthusiasts<br>
Subject: Re: [ale] Celebrate - Usama killed!<br>
<br>
I liked the fact that CNN refused to speculate on what the President was<br>
going to say even when they had one source. They waited until they had<br>
3 sources confirming it and the President had delayed for quite a while<br>
before they reported it.<br>
<br>
Fox knows how to mispronounce things. While most reasonable people<br>
understand that "suicide bomber" simply designated that the murderer<br>
killed himself instead of doing a remote detonation Fox decided everyone<br>
was too stupid to understand that. Accordingly they came up with<br>
"homicide bombers". They also showed how reliable a news
source they<br>
are by continuing to employ Geraldo after he claimed to be in the midst<br>
of a battle he was 300 miles away from and called it a "mistake".
How<br>
the heck does someone not know the difference between bullets wizzing<br>
past their ears and NOT wizzing past their ears?<br>
<br>
-----Original Message-----<br>
From: <a href="mailto:ale-bounces@ale.org" target="_blank">ale-bounces@ale.org</a> [mailto:<a href="mailto:ale-bounces@ale.org" target="_blank">ale-bounces@ale.org</a>] On Behalf Of<br>
Scott Castaline<br>
Sent: Monday, May 02, 2011 12:40 AM<br>
To: Atlanta Linux Enthusiasts<br>
Subject: Re: [ale] Celebrate - Usama killed!<br>
<br>
On 05/01/2011 11:02 PM, Greg Freemyer wrote:<br>
> I'm ecstatic to say the news is reporting Usama Bin Laden has been<br>
> killed by the USA
and his dna verified!<br>
><br>
> God Bless the USA!<br>
> =====<br>
><br>
I have to note though that it seemed that FOX was the only one that<br>
spelled it with a U, while all the others were spelling it as Osama.<br>
Doesn't matter as long as he's dead, bullet to the head from the<br>
President's announcement.<br>
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