why pay to watch the book form of "trickle-down" economics when you can watch CSPAN for free? Besides, since I really doubt _anyone_ on ALE is benefiting greatly from that process, watching a comedy helps get the mind off of the acute awareness that 1. A.Rand was a truly bad writer (not even considering the ideas she was trying to sell, just the writing), 2. Hollywood has no stomach for doing a good job on anything that requires thought about the message, 3. too many people who have both read and not read that book are trying to tinker with things they don't understand for all the wrong reasons and are totally ill-equipped to handle the consequences of their actions.<br>
<br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Apr 13, 2011 at 3:56 PM, Greg Clifton <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:gccfof5@gmail.com">gccfof5@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
Well if you wait till Friday to start the process, you could go see Atlas Shrugged ;-)<br><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div><div></div><div class="h5">On Wed, Apr 13, 2011 at 3:48 PM, Drifter <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:drifter@oppositelock.org" target="_blank">drifter@oppositelock.org</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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<p style="margin: 0px; text-indent: 0px;">I'm thinking (always dangerous, I know): I should shut down whatever update process is trying to run,</p>
<p style="margin: 0px; text-indent: 0px;">then run <yum clean all> followed by <yum upgrade> and go to a movie.</p>
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<p style="margin: 0px; text-indent: 0px;">Sean</p><div><div></div><div>
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<p style="margin: 0px; text-indent: 0px;">On Wednesday, April 13, 2011 03:33:08 pm Drifter wrote:</p>
<p style="margin: 0px; text-indent: 0px;">> Jim,</p>
<p style="margin: 0px; text-indent: 0px;">> I am continuing to scrounge around the dusty recesses of this box. My</p>
<p style="margin: 0px; text-indent: 0px;">> problem is one program calls another -- and another -- ....</p>
<p style="margin: 0px; text-indent: 0px;">> I >think< the operative program is /usr/share/PackageKit/pk-upgrade-</p>
<p style="margin: 0px; text-indent: 0px;">> distro.sh</p>
<p style="margin: 0px; text-indent: 0px;">> I have no idea what a DOTsh is, but that script points to a Fedora URL.</p>
<p style="margin: 0px; text-indent: 0px;">> </p>
<p style="margin: 0px; text-indent: 0px;">> When I try to install the rpm I get this:</p>
<p style="margin: 0px; text-indent: 0px;">> </p>
<p style="margin: 0px; text-indent: 0px;">> "Package preupgrade-1.1.9-1.fc13.noarch already installed and latest</p>
<p style="margin: 0px; text-indent: 0px;">> version"</p>
<p style="margin: 0px; text-indent: 0px;">> </p>
<p style="margin: 0px; text-indent: 0px;">> and I assume that is what is running. But on each iteration it</p>
<p style="margin: 0px; text-indent: 0px;">> downloads about 30 MB of data and then barfs. If, indeed, it is</p>
<p style="margin: 0px; text-indent: 0px;">> working as advertised and picking up where it left off, then it has</p>
<p style="margin: 0px; text-indent: 0px;">> downloaded more than a half gig of data so far.</p>
<p style="margin: 0px; text-indent: 0px;">> </p>
<p style="margin: 0px; text-indent: 0px;">> Sean</p>
<p style="margin: 0px; text-indent: 0px;">> </p>
<p style="margin: 0px; text-indent: 0px;">> -------------------------------------------</p>
<p style="margin: 0px; text-indent: 0px;">> </p>
<p style="margin: 0px; text-indent: 0px;">> On Wednesday, April 13, 2011 03:04:13 pm Jim Kinney wrote:</p>
<p style="margin: 0px; text-indent: 0px;">> > You need to install preupgrade.noarch.rpm. Try the manual route : yum</p>
<p style="margin: 0px; text-indent: 0px;">> > install preupgrade</p>
<p style="margin: 0px; text-indent: 0px;">> > </p>
<p style="margin: 0px; text-indent: 0px;">> > You are getting the notices on an F13 box since F15 is nearing beta.</p>
<p style="margin: 0px; text-indent: 0px;">> > </p>
<p style="margin: 0px; text-indent: 0px;">> > Note: I did an upgrade run from F13 -> F14 on several machines with</p>
<p style="margin: 0px; text-indent: 0px;">> > no troubles at all. But I only upgraded AFTER the next version had</p>
<p style="margin: 0px; text-indent: 0px;">> > been out for a few weeks and rpmfusion had caught up with several of</p>
<p style="margin: 0px; text-indent: 0px;">> > my requirements as well (nvidia, wireless nic, audacity-freeworld,</p>
<p style="margin: 0px; text-indent: 0px;">> > etc).</p>
<p style="margin: 0px; text-indent: 0px;">> > </p>
<p style="margin: 0px; text-indent: 0px;">> > On Wed, Apr 13, 2011 at 2:43 PM, Drifter <<a href="mailto:drifter@oppositelock.org" target="_blank">drifter@oppositelock.org</a>></p>
<p style="margin: 0px; text-indent: 0px;">> </p>
<p style="margin: 0px; text-indent: 0px;">> wrote:</p>
<p style="margin: 0px; text-indent: 0px;">> > > Derek,</p>
<p style="margin: 0px; text-indent: 0px;">> > > </p>
<p style="margin: 0px; text-indent: 0px;">> > > If I were using a CD install, I wouldn't be getting random notices</p>
<p style="margin: 0px; text-indent: 0px;">> > > through the system.</p>
<p style="margin: 0px; text-indent: 0px;">> > > </p>
<p style="margin: 0px; text-indent: 0px;">> > > According to top, the program that is running is "preupgrade-gtk.",</p>
<p style="margin: 0px; text-indent: 0px;">> > > which seems to not exist on this box!?</p>
<p style="margin: 0px; text-indent: 0px;">> > > </p>
<p style="margin: 0px; text-indent: 0px;">> > > According to ps what is running is</p>
<p style="margin: 0px; text-indent: 0px;">> > > </p>
<p style="margin: 0px; text-indent: 0px;">> > > /usr/libexec/packagekitd</p>
<p style="margin: 0px; text-indent: 0px;">> > > </p>
<p style="margin: 0px; text-indent: 0px;">> > > Sean</p>
<p style="margin: 0px; text-indent: 0px;">> > > </p>
<p style="margin: 0px; text-indent: 0px;">> > > </p>
<p style="margin: 0px; text-indent: 0px;">> > > -------------------------------------------------------------------</p>
<p style="margin: 0px; text-indent: 0px;">> > > -- ---------</p>
<p style="margin: 0px; text-indent: 0px;">> > > </p>
<p style="margin: 0px; text-indent: 0px;">> > > On Wednesday, April 13, 2011 01:53:48 pm Derek Carter wrote:</p>
<p style="margin: 0px; text-indent: 0px;">> > > > On 4/13/11 1:32 PM, Sean Kilpatrick wrote:</p>
<p style="margin: 0px; text-indent: 0px;">> > > > > This is a FC-13 box.</p>
<p style="margin: 0px; text-indent: 0px;">> > > > > </p>
<p style="margin: 0px; text-indent: 0px;">> > > > > </p>
<p style="margin: 0px; text-indent: 0px;">> > > > > </p>
<p style="margin: 0px; text-indent: 0px;">> > > > > Over the last two days I have been getting frequent</p>
<p style="margin: 0px; text-indent: 0px;">> > > > > notifications</p>
<p style="margin: 0px; text-indent: 0px;">> > > > > </p>
<p style="margin: 0px; text-indent: 0px;">> > > > > that a</p>
<p style="margin: 0px; text-indent: 0px;">> > > > > </p>
<p style="margin: 0px; text-indent: 0px;">> > > > > </p>
<p style="margin: 0px; text-indent: 0px;">> > > > > </p>
<p style="margin: 0px; text-indent: 0px;">> > > > > "Distribution upgrade" is available -- to FC 14.</p>
<p style="margin: 0px; text-indent: 0px;">> > > > > </p>
<p style="margin: 0px; text-indent: 0px;">> > > > > </p>
<p style="margin: 0px; text-indent: 0px;">> > > > > </p>
<p style="margin: 0px; text-indent: 0px;">> > > > > When I try to download the files I get the message that</p>
<p style="margin: 0px; text-indent: 0px;">> > > > > metadata is</p>
<p style="margin: 0px; text-indent: 0px;">> > > > > </p>
<p style="margin: 0px; text-indent: 0px;">> > > > > being downloaded and then the process starts "Getting installer</p>
<p style="margin: 0px; text-indent: 0px;">> > > > > </p>
<p style="margin: 0px; text-indent: 0px;">> > > > > images..."</p>
<p style="margin: 0px; text-indent: 0px;">> > > > > </p>
<p style="margin: 0px; text-indent: 0px;">> > > > > </p>
<p style="margin: 0px; text-indent: 0px;">> > > > > </p>
<p style="margin: 0px; text-indent: 0px;">> > > > > A few minutes later the whole thing stalls after downloading 10</p>
<p style="margin: 0px; text-indent: 0px;">> > > > > - 20</p>
<p style="margin: 0px; text-indent: 0px;">> > > > > </p>
<p style="margin: 0px; text-indent: 0px;">> > > > > MB with the message that the downloader</p>
<p style="margin: 0px; text-indent: 0px;">> > > > > </p>
<p style="margin: 0px; text-indent: 0px;">> > > > > </p>
<p style="margin: 0px; text-indent: 0px;">> > > > > </p>
<p style="margin: 0px; text-indent: 0px;">> > > > > "failed to download installer data.</p>
<p style="margin: 0px; text-indent: 0px;">> > > > > </p>
<p style="margin: 0px; text-indent: 0px;">> > > > > </p>
<p style="margin: 0px; text-indent: 0px;">> > > > > </p>
<p style="margin: 0px; text-indent: 0px;">> > > > > This could be caused by a missing network connection or a bad</p>
<p style="margin: 0px; text-indent: 0px;">> > > > > mirror.</p>
<p style="margin: 0px; text-indent: 0px;">> > > > > </p>
<p style="margin: 0px; text-indent: 0px;">> > > > > </p>
<p style="margin: 0px; text-indent: 0px;">> > > > > </p>
<p style="margin: 0px; text-indent: 0px;">> > > > > Retry; Quit"</p>
<p style="margin: 0px; text-indent: 0px;">> > > > > </p>
<p style="margin: 0px; text-indent: 0px;">> > > > > </p>
<p style="margin: 0px; text-indent: 0px;">> > > > > </p>
<p style="margin: 0px; text-indent: 0px;">> > > > > There's nothing wrong with the network connection.</p>
<p style="margin: 0px; text-indent: 0px;">> > > > > </p>
<p style="margin: 0px; text-indent: 0px;">> > > > > </p>
<p style="margin: 0px; text-indent: 0px;">> > > > > </p>
<p style="margin: 0px; text-indent: 0px;">> > > > > I can not figure out to point the thing to a local mirror, such</p>
<p style="margin: 0px; text-indent: 0px;">> > > > > as</p>
<p style="margin: 0px; text-indent: 0px;">> > > > > </p>
<p style="margin: 0px; text-indent: 0px;">> > > > > the one at GA. Tech.</p>
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