If the shop was Linux and the candidate had a tom of C# and VisualBasic...<br><br>If the shop was all Microsoft and the candidate was a Linux kernel contributor or a GNU fellow...<br><br>Bad for one may be good for another.<br>
<br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Mar 31, 2011 at 11:04 AM, Brian Schenken <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:brian.schenken@gmail.com">brian.schenken@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
Maybe if the article were "Why programmers shouldn't put all their eggs in one basket", but this was "Why we don’t hire .NET programmers". Through the article he makes some good points, but his opinions of .net pollute his arguments. My point in previous posts is that if he is looking for folks who are happy to tinker with any tech - his own attitude will be an obstacle. He wrote a followup article he links to at the top where he trys to be less of an ass, but IMHO just demonstrates that he's not capable of stopping. So, he won't get much more attention from me...<br>
<br>...but, I was pondering - I wonder if there are some technologies that really should raise red flags. If you were hiring, and you need someone you can trust to create good solutions, are there technologies out there that might scare you off? I can think of a couple that I'd have hard time imagining a good case for. Lolcode... mono...<div>
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<br><br><br><br><br><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Mar 31, 2011 at 8:29 AM, Wolf Halton <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:wolf@wolfhalton.info" target="_blank">wolf@wolfhalton.info</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
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Did you look at the jobs section of their site? Jerald, I think you
are on target. These people want to hire creatives who create in
lots of ways.<div><div></div><div><br>
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On 03/29/2011 09:09 AM, Jerald Sheets wrote:
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<div>Some of this falls under the failure of education, though.</div>
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<div>I worked at a small webhosting concern in Baton Rouge that
eventually got to the point that we refused to hire graduates
from LSU's CS department for much the same reasons. </div>
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<div>LSU was turning out Pascal programmers in 1996 with no
knowledge of networks (but a limited understanding of protocols)
and couldn't troubleshoot anything. They could program you
under the table in Pascal, but had no knowledge of any other
arena of programming (Assembler? VB? C?...these were reserved
for engineering majors and were unavailable to CS students
except as electives) Sure, with some work they could pick up
the ColdFusion work and the PHP work our developers were doing,
but chances were slim (based on our experience). It had been
proven time and time again they were one-trick ponies with
blinders on, unwilling to change and unable to be employed if
they didn't...USUALLY demanding huge salaries just because they
graduated college. </div>
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<div>I think the issue more lies in substance. </div>
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<div>For instance, I'm a SysAdmin. I have done a fair amount of
ksh/bash and, thanks to <a href="http://Weather.com" target="_blank">Weather.com</a>, was introduced to
Perl and have been very happy with it since.</div>
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<div>If I come to you for a Sysadmin job, one of the primary
distinguishing characteristics of a "Senior" level admin is that
they have a language or two to their credit. No, not
necessarily C or Pascal (although they may), but you certainly
expect there to be Perl, Shell, perhaps Python, maybe even PHP
and other "admin-y" sort of qualifications on there. If I
didn't, wouldn't you consider something to be not quite right?</div>
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<div>All I think the author is saying is, if I've got a person who
is a true-blue programmer, a "maker of things", chances are
extremely good they will have core languages where the sky is
the limit, and if they really love programming and do it all the
time, will ultimately become annoyed at "cookie-cutter"
environments that lay everything out in pre-fabricated ways.
Not because those ways are particularly <b>bad </b>but
because it isn't the nature of a programmer of the type they are
searching for. One who works from the ground up in core
programming rather than platform development. There is a
difference, and it is not small.</div>
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<div>I'm not saying I agree or disagree, but I am saying I can see
where he's coming from and its not all that strange.</div>
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<div>When we hire systems people, we look for guys that dig
Linux/UNIX. Those who have a little network at home and are
versed in multiple flavors of the beast. Those who belong to
clubs and have friends in the business; who go to seminars or
installfests because it's fun and this is as much their hobby as
it is their career. These guys will ultimately be more
valuable, informed, happy, and long-lived in the position than
someone who isn't of this ilk, and only got into UNIX because it
can "pay the bills".</div>
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<div>That, unless I'm sorely mistaken, is what he's looking for at
his company. It has very little to do with .NET or Microsoft
and very much to do with the character of the people he's
looking for.</div>
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<div>On Mar 29, 2011, at 2:33 AM, Brian Schenken wrote:</div>
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<div>No wordsmithery could make his silly prejudice
reasonable. He may be<br>
looking for what you accept is a different breed, but he
needs to<br>
figure out how to articulate it without delving into his own
emotional<br>
bias. Having written in .net is not evidence of some sort
of<br>
weakness.<br>
<br>
Yeah, there's a tremendous market for worthless certs that
has<br>
polluted IT's and other's talent pools. The quality of
education out<br>
there has nothing to do with the value of any given
technology.<br>
That's apples and oranges...<br>
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