Yay! Aaron's back!<br><br>Constitution is about PEOPLE not corporations. <br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Mar 29, 2011 at 2:36 PM, arxaaron <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:arxaaron@gmail.com">arxaaron@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"><div class="im">On 2011/03/24, at 10:11 , Charles Shapiro wrote:<br>
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> I was merely using Mr. Paine as a hint that copyright laws Need to<br>
> Change. "When we are exposed to the same miseries BY a government,<br>
> which we might expect in a country WITHOUT government..."<br>
><br>
> When "Intellectual Property" laws become an IMPEDIMENT to innovation,<br>
> rather than a SPUR, it is time to change the laws. Walt Disney<br>
> doesn't own my computer. Warner Brothers can't dictate how I use it.<br>
> Sony Inc. won't stop me from writing code.<br>
><br>
> -- CHS<br>
><br>
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<br>
</div>Which speaks to the REAL core of the problem, which is that our<br>
social democracy, a Positive, Just and Constructive system of<br>
government that was designed by constitution to establish and<br>
protect the freedoms and civil liberties of its citizens, has been<br>
destroyed by Corporate Welfare State fascism.<br>
<br>
Since usurping the 14th Amendment laws intended to protect the<br>
_human_ rights and civil liberties of freed _human_ slaves in 1896,<br>
the totalitarian structures of piratizing corporation have corrupted<br>
every law and every institution of the good government that was<br>
designed to protect the rights and liberties of its citizens. The<br>
corporapist elites and their vicious pursuit of resource theft,<br>
worker exploitation and monopolies have been a the blood<br>
sucking cancer of greed to our nation since its founding.<br>
<br>
peace<br>
aaron<br>
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> On Wed, Mar 23, 2011 at 6:57 PM, Jim Kinney <<a href="mailto:jim.kinney@gmail.com">jim.kinney@gmail.com</a>><br>
> wrote:<br>
>> Brilliant prose from a brilliant person from a time period when no<br>
>> government had ever yet done any measurable good for any portion of<br>
>> their<br>
>> governed that approached a majority.<br>
>> I wish Franklin and Jefferson could have seen humans walking on the<br>
>> moon.<br>
>><br>
>> On Mar 23, 2011 2:57 PM, "Charles Shapiro"<br>
>> <<a href="mailto:hooterpincher@gmail.com">hooterpincher@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
>>> For a more sensible response: I am sorry, but I strongly disagree<br>
>>> with<br>
>>> Ron's contentions about Intellectual Property.<br>
>>><br>
>>> Intellectual Property is nonsense. If you steal my real property,<br>
>>> you<br>
>>> deprive me of the use of it. Steal my bicycle, and I can't use it to<br>
>>> go down to the store. If you make a copy of my book (or my song, or<br>
>>> my software...), I can still read (or play, or use) my copy. More to<br>
>>> the point, I can still SELL my copy. You could (possibly) argue that<br>
>>> publishing your copy of my book may deprive me of some revenues<br>
>>> which<br>
>>> I might otherwise have acquired from selling copies of my book, but<br>
>>> that money a phantasm. It is not the same as the money I keep in my<br>
>>> wallet or my bank account. "Intellectual Property" laws are hacks to<br>
>>> encourage people to write neat stuff. Once they start getting<br>
>>> _in_the_way_ of creating stuff, they're obviously a Bad Idea.<br>
>>> Confusing this putative "Intellectual Property" with real property<br>
>>> is<br>
>>> a sure way to misunderstand every moral and legal issue associated<br>
>>> with creative work.<br>
>>><br>
>>> The Original Ranter maybe said it best:<br>
>>><br>
>>> Society in every state is a blessing, but government even in its<br>
>>> best<br>
>>> state is but a necessary evil in its worst state an intolerable one;<br>
>>> for when we suffer, or are exposed to the same miseries by a<br>
>>> government, which we might expect in a country without government,<br>
>>> our<br>
>>> calamities is heightened by reflecting that we furnish the means by<br>
>>> which we suffer! Government, like dress, is the badge of lost<br>
>>> innocence; the palaces of kings are built on the ruins of the bowers<br>
>>> of paradise. For were the impulses of conscience clear, uniform, and<br>
>>> irresistibly obeyed, man would need no other lawgiver; but that not<br>
>>> being the case, he finds it necessary to surrender up a part of his<br>
>>> property to furnish means for the protection of the rest; and this<br>
>>> he<br>
>>> is induced to do by the same prudence which in every other case<br>
>>> advises him out of two evils to choose the least. Wherefore,<br>
>>> security<br>
>>> being the true design and end of government, it unanswerably follows<br>
>>> that whatever form thereof appears most likely to ensure it to us,<br>
>>> with the least expense and greatest benefit, is preferable to all<br>
>>> others.<br>
>>><br>
>>> (Tom Paine, 1776)<br>
>>><br>
>>> -- CHS<br>
>>><br>
>>> On Wed, Mar 23, 2011 at 2:35 PM, Jerald Sheets <<a href="mailto:questy@gmail.com">questy@gmail.com</a>><br>
>>> wrote:<br>
>>>> On Mar 23, 2011, at 2:24 PM, Charles Shapiro wrote:<br>
>>>><br>
>>>>> And YOU KIDS GET OFF MY LAWN!!!!!<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> "Residential Vegetation Management Zone"<br>
>>>><br>
>>>><br>
>>>><br>
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