<p>BINGO!!! You nailed it!</p>
<div class="gmail_quote">On Mar 8, 2011 10:04 PM, "Chuck Payne" <<a href="mailto:terrorpup@gmail.com">terrorpup@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br type="attribution">> On Tue, Mar 8, 2011 at 6:42 PM, Michael B. Trausch <<a href="mailto:mike@trausch.us">mike@trausch.us</a>> wrote:<br>
>> On Tue, 2011-03-08 at 19:14 -0500, Dan Lambert wrote:<br>>>> I am amazed at this group sometimes.<br>>>><br>>>> Virtually every commercial entity that is mentioned on here is<br>>>> vilified and criticized to the extreme. If any of them don't meet the<br>
>>> expectations of this group in every regard, they are instantly put on<br>>>> par with the most despised corporations on the planet.<br>>><br>>> I can't speak for others, but that is hardly my position; I'm just of<br>
>> the position that for-profits need not take money out of the pockets of<br>>> non-profits. Just because an entity is a non-profit does not mean that<br>>> it is fit to have money pulled from its pockets by some for-profit<br>
>> somewhere.<br>>><br>>>> I understand and appreciate the superior efforts of FOSS devotees, and<br>>>> am particularly impressed by the Debian team of developers, and their<br>>>> contributions to the open source community.<br>
>>><br>>>> I want to remind everyone of the fact that BUSINESSES are in BUSINESS<br>>>> to make a PROFIT. They are not charities, and some (most) of them use<br>>>> any opportunity possible to extract a small percentage of profit from<br>
>>> every aspect they can.<br>>><br>>> And that they should, so long as it's not stepping on the toes (or<br>>> indeed, plainly kicking to the curb) some other entity, for-profit,<br>>> non-profit, individual, or otherwise. Even in business, there are<br>
>> ethical considerations. Being a for-profit does not exempt an entity<br>>> from those ethical considerations.<br>>><br>>>> If any of you are in the management of, or own a corporation, you are<br>
>>> fully aware of the need to make a profit, or you go out of business.<br>>><br>>> Indeed.<br>>><br>>>> If any of you want to blast me for my position, go ahead. I work for<br>>>> one of those evil FOR PROFIT businesses. It's kept my family fed, and<br>
>>> put my children through school. I used to own my own business, and I<br>>>> can tell you for a fact that working in the corporate world is a hell<br>>>> of a lot easier, because I don't have to worry about how to meet<br>
>>> payroll, or how to eke enough profit out to pay my own bills.<br>>><br>>> To each their own. I'd rather not deal with the drama or the politics<br>>> if at all I can avoid it. That said, if it came down to working a W-2<br>
>> position again or not eating, I'd obviously take the W-2 over not<br>>> eating.<br>>><br>>> Do I think that there are nasty corporations out there? You bet'cha. I<br>>> don't subscribe to the view that corporations have to acquire their<br>
>> revenue by taking it from others. Quite the contrary, I think that<br>>> corporations should get their revenue by providing the best service they<br>>> can and making the customer as happy as reasonable without sacrificing<br>
>> itself. Happy customers come back; forced customers also come back, but<br>>> only grudgingly, and only until there are other viable options. It is<br>>> better to build a business on happy customers than it is to build a<br>
>> business on the notion that you're the only game in town.<br>>><br>>> It's also better to build a business through honest work, and not by<br>>> turning the revenue stream for non-profits down.<br>
>><br>>> Or said another say, just because one *can* do something, does not mean<br>>> that one *should* or *ought to*. Canonical certainly *can* take money<br>>> away from the GNOME Foundation; Banshee is licensed under the terms of<br>
>> the MIT license. That neither means that it is a morally (or ethically)<br>>> proper action, nor that they should or ought to. If they are<br>>> struggling, there are other ways to survive (and truly, if Canonical<br>
>> cannot survive by honorable means, it should survive by no means at<br>>> all).<br>> <br>> Is it me or does no one see how Canonical is in away acting like SCO?<br>> Or am I away off?<br>> <br>> <br>
>> Integrity and honor are arguably as important in the world of business<br>>> as outside of it. Should we disagree on that, however, then we've<br>>> nothing further to converse about.<br>>><br>
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