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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Ouch.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>I’m a RedHat fan but do need to point out
that RedHat did annoy many in the Linux world when they first introduced RHEL
as distinct from old RedHat Linux. They began support of the Fedora project
as a result of that outcry IIRC. For commercial use though RHEL definitely is
the one most 3<sup>rd</sup> party software vendors seem to build along with
Suse to a lesser degree. I also heard (but didn’t see) a story last week about
how RedHat is now going to release source bundles already patched to try to
slow down upstream builds from its source such as Oracle EL and CentOS.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>I’ve never used Ubuntu myself but have
seen a lot to suggest it has been the distro of choice for many for their
personal systems at least. My guess is it isn’t going to go away any time
soon. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font size=2
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ale-bounces@ale.org [mailto:ale-bounces@ale.org] <b><span style='font-weight:
bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Jim Kinney<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Monday, March 07, 2011 9:37
AM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> <st1:PersonName w:st="on">Atlanta
Linux Enthusiasts</st1:PersonName><br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [ale] Canonical makes
Apple look so good...</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>Thanks
for the link. I know many ale's have chugged the ubuntu koolaid so appologies
upfront.<br>
Cannonical is desperatly trying to justify their existsnce as a business
entity. RedHat is the 800 pound gorilla in the room of non-microsoft platforms.
RH "fractured" the community with their support of gnome over kde.
They didn't go after kde and try and break it. Cannonical needs a history
lesson in open source projects. <br>
If something doesn't work the way you want it to, use the open source way then
innovate and present a solution path to the community. It worked for
gnome in the past. <br>
Ubuntu seems to be focused on "improve the user experience for Ubuntu
" often at the expense of the open source community at large. They need to
learn that they are just an offshoot of Debian that has cash for marketing and
they are no where near being in charge. <br>
The patches Ubuntu makes to the user interface only work for Ubuntu builds and
not generically for Debian. They would like to be RedHat but they lack the
vision and sense of community that has driven RedHat and Debian and Slackware
for years. Cannonical is the first non-innovator business to enter the open
source market that has actually managed to gain some traction. They need to
mature a lot and recognize that without the marketing cash they would only be
another rebranding bit player. Ubuntu has always struck me like the sleazy
groups that sell a cd of OpenOffice.org as a product they make for $25. <br>
Cannonical has not yet earned the privilege and responsibility to sit at the
table with Debian and RedHat and SuSE and Slackware (or even Mandriva, Gentoo
or Knoppix). They have a long way to go to catch up to they likes of their
predecessor distro and arrogance will not accelerate their actual importance.<br>
I personally look forward to their implosion and subsequent decline into
has-been status. It can't happen soon enough soon enough for me and, I also
think, the open source community at large.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>On Mar 7, 2011 8:49 AM, "Chuck Payne" <<a
href="mailto:terrorpup@gmail.com">terrorpup@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br
type=attribution>
> Guys,<br>
> <br>
> I know may here are Ubuntu Fans, but what Canonical is doing to Gnome<br>
> is really sad. If you really suppose Gnome and their foundation please<br>
> let Canonical know they need rethink their stand.<br>
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