<html><head></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><div><blockquote type="cite"><div>Not bashing for real.<br></div></blockquote><br></div><div><br></div><div>But Randy...</div><div><br></div><div>All your points are valid. For a geek that knows what they're doing. </div><div><br></div><div>For the rank-and-file computer user, "call Vendor X" is not the answer.</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>When Grandma (tm) can go to $store and pick up $hardware and load $linux and have all possilble $desired_hardware and $desired_software_<b>functionality </b>work out of the box, then Linux is mainstream, and not before. (and I'm a linux admin by trade! It's how I eat)</div><div><br></div><div>You and I both know that all these things are possible in varying levels of effort, but we are the exception. We actually will take the time to hack on a problem unto 2AM to make it work. Joe sixpack visiting WalMart for a "newfangled computer thingie" absolutely will not. I think that's the actual argument. They will bring it back and ask for windows because it does indeed just work out of the box for what is important to <b>them</b>. Not what is important to freedom or what is important to openness.</div><div><br></div><div>In this day and age, the use of a computer to the non-technical is like the use of a phone... or a toaster, for that matter. They want "put it on the desk and it works" functionality, and Linux just hasn't reached that place on the desktop yet.</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>On that topic. </div><div><br></div><div>I've always thought that with all the effort we've seen out there toward getting Linux more mainstream from the community, that a project such as a Linux Hardware lab hasn't cropped up somewhere. (maybe it has? I haven't seen one)</div><div><br></div><div>A lab whose sole purpose is to get new hardware, document the compatability with Linux, and offer basic configuration elements back to vendors to help them streamline their Linux compatibility. *or*, when the vendor is not forthcoming with help on the driver front for various internal reasons, delivering documentation to the community on a per-distro basis for getting these various hardwares working in Linux.</div><div><br></div><div>Is there such a project?</div><div><br></div><div>The Linux Documentation project appears to have stalled of late. I don't know if the majority of covered topics are just so mature there isn't any documentation changes to archive/catalog, or if everything is now being handled in local wikis to the individual projects, but TLDP appears stalled. </div><div><br></div><div>I know that when I was coming up as a new Linux user, TLDP was paramount for me in learning Linux, how it works, and what to do with it going forward.</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>Thoughts?</div><br><div>
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