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Hi Greg,<br>
<br>
Ooo Kaay. My statement WAS a bit broad and you make some good points.
I'll hopefully make a few good points, but I'm not sure my brain is in
gear. I may have to come back to this later. This could evolve /
devolve into an off topic socio political discussion. I recently
bought some soap for the bathroom. There was a big gouge carved, by
design, out of the back. They could say that it helps you hold it, but
I'm convinced that it's really the factory's method to cut the amount
of product they are delivering so they can give you less for the same
money, or even more money. Rather than step up to the plate and tell
the customer they must increase prices to deliver the same product,
they cut production and try to slip it in under the radar. I think
this is disreputable. I just bought a box of Cheerios. It literally
is only 1.5" thick. A few years ago, this box was 2 - 2.5" thick. Buy
a box of ice cream now. You get 1/3 of a gallon. You don't get 1/2
gallon any more. Serve it up for 3 people, and the box is essentially
gone. The point. While I wholeheartedly support capitalism, I don't
support unlimited unregulated capitalism. Human nature being what it
is, and corporate boards of directors being what they are, the
dominating force tends to become greed. Steven Covey's 7 Habits of
Highly Effective People suggests to Think Win Win and Synergize when
dealing with other people. However, this is rarely the case. The
corporation rarely thinks or strategizes how can we give the best
possible products to the widest array of customers and maximize THEIR
satisfaction, even possibly at the expense of corporate profits. They
usually think what's the least we can give to the customer, the fewest
customer service agents, and the minimal options and choices we can
give the customer without them SCREAMING too much and embarrassing the
company. How many people ENJOY shopping at Wal-Mart. How many times
have you seen 57 registers with 3 open, and 15 people in line at each
of those 3? What ever happened to Target's never more than 3 people in
line policy? Don't even think of returning something at Christmas.
Talk about under staffed!<br>
<br>
To address the original point of the message, I don't really think we
need BNC RGB connectors on our monitors right now. However, I pretty
much run both computers and cars until they die. I have observed that
corporations, in America in particular, will roll out products only
when they believe they can make a substantial profit (I'm OK with
that.), or even an obscene profit (I'm not OK with that.) At some
point, profiteering becomes abusive and morally wrong, whether it's
legal or not. I have also observed that the corporations will support
only the mainstream most profitable section of the customer base.
Linux is is a prime example. We're a niche market. We struggle to get
support from the manufacturers who don't want to hear anything about
it. Broadband is the same thing. We (the USA) have one of the slowest
aggregate broadband speeds in the world. That's disgusting! People in
the rural areas sometimes don't have broadband at all. Again, they are
a less profitable niche market, not to be bothered with.<br>
<br>
I have no doubt that when it's the most profitable for the
corporations, and the most tolerable to the majority, they will remove
the VGA ports from the monitors and projectors and KVM's, and leave all
of us with older equipment in the lurch, having to spend $ 100 to
connect every VGA device we own to our NEW fancy display devices.<br>
<br>
By the way, I don't think those A-D chips need to be that expensive.
Maybe $2 - $5 max. The Dell Inspiron 1525 notebook computer I'm typing
this on has VGA, SVIDEO, HDMI, Firewire, phone, LAN, and 4 USB ports on
it, as well as WiFi and the option to add Bluetooth. And, I'm glad it
does. It gives me lots of options and choices as to how to use it. My
son's machine does NOT have SVIDEO, HDMI, or Firewire, and only has 3
USB ports. I like his computer much less, although it works for him.
His doesn't even have a hard drive light, and that drives me insane.
Just because there's no hourglass on the screen, doesn't mean the
computer is not busy. Neither computer has Serial or Parallel ports,
which is a bother if I want to hook up an old printer or a
microcontroller or something. Also, DVI ports usually take more real
estate in the case of the computer, which is an issue for notebooks and
tablets, etc.<br>
<br>
That thing about landfills you brought up is interesting. I hadn't
thought of it. That comment about it all being burnt up is interesting
too. Are you talking about the end of time? I hope to use my
equipment for a while before that. By the way, God never said we
wouldn't pollute the Earth to death and make it awful to live here
before the end. 8-)<br>
<br>
Sincerely,<br>
<br>
Ron<br>
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On 02/03/2011 04:30 PM, Greg Clifton wrote:
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cite="mid:AANLkTimiDLKkthpUvB=_8pot84PQHLhGMQUO=rhHG+K2@mail.gmail.com"
type="cite">Ron, it really has nothing to do with screwing anybody.
More nearly the opposite, i.e. providing current technology without the
costly burden of the old obsolete so we the consumers get the new
product for less than the old. I have long repeated the mantra that in
the computer business, each iteration is "better, faster, cheaper."
Despite Intel's recent Bil $ blunder with the 6 series chips, this is
generally true and closely related to Moore's Law. As one who has been
in the computer hardware biz for >20 yrs. let me tell you the
margins are VERY thin in this business and for the manufacturers to be
able to sell their wares, they have got to make products that people
want at the lowest possible price points. Time was, high end CRT
monitors had BNC RGB inputs in addition to VGA inputs. Should they
STILL be putting those on LCD monitors???<br>
<br>
Now if you want to make an argument about resource utilization and
landfill space, toxic waste, etc. that are associated with
semiconductor and display production and how it might be a better use
of resources to provide all manner of connections on all display
devices so we would never have to throw one out, there is a case for
that. It may be a good idea in theory but, it isn't economically
feasible. Remember, it all gets burnt in the end anyway.<br>
GC<br>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Feb 3, 2011 at 9:06 AM, Ron Frazier <span
dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:atllinuxenthinfo@c3energy.com" target="_blank">atllinuxenthinfo@c3energy.com</a>></span>
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<div text="#000000" bgcolor="#ffffff">Yup. SOP - Standard
Operating Procedure - Screw the customer whenever
you can.<br>
<br>
Ron
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On 02/03/2011 08:27 AM, Richard Bronosky wrote:
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<p>You better get ready for it. All modern displays are digital
devices. Receiving VGA requires a A-D chipset which isn't cheap. They
will stop including those as soon as they believe they can. It's going
to hit like unlimited cellphone plans. Once one of them takes the
plunge, the others will follow.</p>
<blockquote type="cite">On Feb 3, 2011 12:16 AM, "Ron Frazier"
<<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:atllinuxenthinfo@c3energy.com" target="_blank">atllinuxenthinfo@c3energy.com</a>>
wrote:<br>
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Hi David,<br>
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I do hope that the monitor / projector makers won't leave us<br>
(collectively) out in the cold having to buy thousands of "converters"<br>
to attach our old equipment to new display devices. I haven't bought any<br>
monitors or projectors very recently though. I think my Sony flat screen<br>
has a VGA port on the back, as well as HDMI.<br>
<br>
Sincerely,<br>
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Ron<br>
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On 01/31/2011 06:20 PM, David Tomaschik wrote:<br>
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