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    On 12/17/10 10:54 AM, Lightner, Jeff wrote:
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                size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family:
                  Arial; color: navy;">Bazillion old Java was free
                  though &#8211;
                  Oracle is starting to assert rights and costs for Java
                  and in the most recent
                  AUUG meeting an Oracle/Sun guy noted that Sun had
                  changed the model in 2006 but
                  never enforced it so he says Oracle is simply
                  enforcing it.&nbsp;&nbsp; My own thought is
                  Oracle starting to make M$ look less greedy by
                  comparison.</span></font><br>
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    <font color="navy"><font size="2"><font face="Arial">But doesn't
          that only apply to the *creation* of JDKs?&nbsp; Aren't we only
          talking about end use here?<br>
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