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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Since you decided to restart the argument…<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>What you say is a bit disingenuous. C#
wasn’t designed by a consortium. It was designed and patented by M$.
You only have a “promise” from M$ that is based on vague
conditions for using it free. So long as you’re big and bad enough and
have enough money to fight the lawsuits (like say Oracle or IBM) you should
have no qualms using it. If however, you’re like most people and would
go bankrupt just trying to meet the disclosure requirements a M$ lawyers might
inundate you with in a suit then you’d be foolish indeed to blithely
ignore the “promise” and its vagueness of conditions.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font size=2
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>
ale-bounces@ale.org [mailto:ale-bounces@ale.org] <b><span style='font-weight:
bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Michael Trausch<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Tuesday, November 16, 2010
1:05 AM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> <st1:PersonName w:st="on">Atlanta
Linux Enthusiasts</st1:PersonName><br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [ale] best cross
platform development evironment</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>That's a
shame. It is a very well designed language on a relatively pleasant to work in
common runtime. As I have said many times in the past, C# is proof that
Microsoft should have stayed in the field of programming languages. They are
capable of creating good things... just not operating systems or application
software.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>In any
event, implementing in C# is something that is an option if your requirements
only go so far as requiring a free software stack. If you have requirements
that go beyond that... well, all I can say is that I should hope in the
interest of professionalism that the decision isn't political. Saying
"I won't use C# because it was designed by a consortium of companies that
included Microsoft" hasn't the ability to hold water when all the facts
are considered.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>As an
aside, I seem to recall that Microsoft has had a hand in designing some of the
protocols and systems that we use today. Are you going to avoid the use of
btrfs because Oracle is a sponsor of it as well? Looking through just RFCs
alone, there is an awful lot of tech that both companies have their hands in,
both outright and through acquisitions and so forth... will you avoid those,
too, because of a name?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>If there
were any proof whatsoever to back the numerous assertions that have been made
about the "closed" nature of the CLR and C# then I would be inclined
to understand such a position. But being a fan of logical argument, I cannot
say that I understand what amounts to an ad hominem, even if the target of the
ad hominem is as (un)likable as our federal government.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>--<br>
Sent from my G2 running CyanogenMod!<br>
That is, a phone. :)<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>On Nov 9, 2010 8:36 AM, "Geoffrey Myers" <<a
href="mailto:lists@serioustechnology.com">lists@serioustechnology.com</a>>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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